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Post subject: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:28 pm
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Hello Everyone,

A warped spot started to form on my rosewood fretboard around the 3rd fret and the strings started buzzing while playing. At first I thought it was just a matter of adjusting the truss rod and straightening out the neck. I brought it to a specialist to make sure this was the case. The guitar repairman told me today that a knot in the maple part of the neck is what is causing the warp and nothing will fix it except for a new neck.

It's a 07' American Deluxe Strat I bought on eBay.

I'm I still covered under the warranty?

I don't want to have to fork out the cash to buy a new neck for this guitar.
Thanks for your time.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:48 pm
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can you see the knot yourself?-- you say the repairman says it has a knot--did you see the knot before you took it in? Is it a big knot- like 1 inch or is it just a little dark knot like 1/8 of an inch-- or lets see a pic.

If the thing has this big gape of a knot hanging out and the neck is warping out right over it - it seems that would be obvious-- if that's the case I bet Fender would take care of it. That just sounds like good business if something is that wrong and got missed in quality control. Don't you think?


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:55 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
can you see the knot yourself?-- you say the repairman says it has a knot--did you see the knot before you took it in? Is it a big knot- like 1 inch or is it just a little dark knot like 1/8 of an inch-- or lets see a pic.

If the thing has this big gape of a knot hanging out and the neck is warping out right over it - it seems that would be obvious-- if that's the case I bet Fender would take care of it. That just sounds like good business if something is that wrong and got missed in quality control. Don't you think?


Thanks for the reply.

I never really paid attention to maple part of the neck so I'm only going off what the repairman is telling me. I never heard of this issue, but I guess it can happen after searching a bit online.

The guitar is currently at his shop and I get it back tomorrow so I'll post some pics then so everyone can see what I'm talking about.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:42 pm
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nope your stuck.
fender warranty will not cover it unless you have a reciept
from a fender dealer.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:51 pm
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AH- HAH!!!!!!!- so you did not look at the maple part of the neck 'ay?? Did not notice a knot in the maple part of the neck??.... I see.. I see... So for the jury to understand I will explain that YES- the defendant DOES NOT pay attention to the maple part of the neck directly behind the rosewood fretboard! A typical guitarist I say. A guitarist whom should be charged in the case with failure to supply adequate information on the forum. That will be $300 for a new neck. Pay the Repairman on the way out. .................. :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:06 pm
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oooooo snap, that on a american deluxe too. oh that bites.
look on ebay for a neck. (bad thoughts already im sure)
or you can go to warmouth and custom design your own neck.
i feel for ya on this one too. words cant cover shiot like this i know.
keep us posted as to what you do for this.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:37 pm
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jerde wrote:
Hello Everyone,

A warped spot started to form on my rosewood fretboard around the 3rd fret and the strings started buzzing while playing. At first I thought it was just a matter of adjusting the truss rod and straightening out the neck. I brought it to a specialist to make sure this was the case. The guitar repairman told me today that a knot in the maple part of the neck is what is causing the warp and nothing will fix it except for a new neck.

It's a 07' American Deluxe Strat I bought on eBay.

I'm I still covered under the warranty?

I don't want to have to fork out the cash to buy a new neck for this guitar.
Thanks for your time.


Is it one string or all of the strings at the 3rd fret.. :?:

I'm highly skeptical as to the reasoning of the cause of the problem.
First off, you have two very different woods on your neck, maple is much denser than rosewood, I would suspect that the rosewood itself has raised at the 3rd fret or 3rd position as this is a spot which sees the most playing by a lot of guitarists. The moisture from your hands when you sweat will have an adverse effect on the rosewood. Sweat, being predominantly H2O will soak into the rosewood, the rosewood itself from the increase in moisture content will expand and thus the corresponding fret is now proud ( or higher than the others. this is the result of what you are experiencing.

Furthermore, adjusting the trussrod will not do anything at the 3rd fret, a truss rod effects the entire neck from the nut to the 21-22 fret. it either increases or decreases the concave shape of your neck.
It could also very well be that your frets need to be dressed, if that has never been done since you have owned the guitar and there is no way of being sure as to its history prior to you owning it.

As far as having to replace the neck.... that at this point is like considering to buy a new car because you just had a flat tire.

In addition to your frets possibly needing a dressup.. :wink: I would look at the action on your guitar, it may very well be that you have to low of an action.
Here two things need to be checked.
(1) the bridge saddle heights.
(2) The nut. this instance would be from too deep string slots, either from changing strings and winding with the string inside the slot which over time will result in deepening the slot, especially on the wound strings.

In all of this, I would be seeking another asessment from a tech not affiliated with that store or...

I think that the knot reasoning is offkey, if only because I doubt Fender would allow a neck to be assembled to a strat, in which a structural issue would be likely to occur.
Also, a knot itself would actually be the most stable part of the neck, since in a piece of wood, the knot is the area which comprises the densest part of that wood.
If you have ever driven a nail into a piece of wood, it enters and goes in. However if it encounters a knot, usually the scenario is that the nail bends and is unable to penetrate the wood.
Keep this in mind, a guitar, being primarily wood, is always in a state of flux, the wood reacts to changes in moisture from the environment. This spring at a nearby G.C. I noticed that many of their guitars had fret problems. You could feel the edges of the frets on either side of the low E and high E strings. This is where due to an excessively dry environment, the wood in the neck has shrunk ( reduced moisture content ) thus the frets stick out since metal does not expand and contract from air moisture content.

Good luck and post pics before doing anything expensive.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:40 pm
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53 makes a good point. i think before we go any deeper we need to see detailed pics here.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:37 am
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Thanks for all the replies and advice!

Yes, I am going to get a second opinion on the shape of the neck.

No, I won't spend any money to fix the problem until I know for sure what the issue is.

That sucks if I'm not covered under warranty. I bought the guitar new from ebay, but not from a dealer. So I have all the papers, just not the original receipt.

I'll post some pictures tomorrow evening when I pick up my guitar from the technician so everyone can see what the problem is.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:45 am
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original receipt is the most important park bro.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:55 am
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Gotta say mate, take a look at the neck!

All those spalted, flamed, figured bits of maple in the guitar world. Their all imperfections in the wood. Yet we don't see a million people posting questions about em here.
You could very well have a warp in the neck. It's not unheard of. However I doubt it has anything to do with a wood knot. The lumber Fender uses is cured for ages before it's carved.

If it is a warp it's probably fixable. Forum expert Twelvebar has a great fix for warps. I'd expect anyone that makes a living working on guitars to know how to deal with a warp. Sounds like a bit of a chancer to me.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 1:54 am
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I also doubt a knot in a piece of kiln dried maple would raise and push the rosewood up...if that type of stuff happened we would be seeing knots raise in various places on the necks.
Hell, you would see it in maple furniture and other items....go see somebody who has a friggin' clue about guitars....because for the neck to be in that shape it would come from Fender as a blemished part,which could happen,and may be why you bought a new guitar from somebody other than a dealer.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:01 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
I also doubt a knot in a piece of kiln dried maple would raise and push the rosewood up...if that type of stuff happened we would be seeing knots raise in various places on the necks.


It does seem to be a bit of a reach. In nearly five decades of my association with Fender guitars, I've never seen that particular phenomenon.

YMMV

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:09 am
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Anything can happen with wood. It is very unperfect. That is why buying a new guitar is always a crap shoot even big buck guitars. You can find the perfect guitar first time out or after the 10th try, I bought and sold guitars and that is how it is.

I also repair guitars and found most any slab guitar can be fixed if you work at it. That is a drag if you are paying the bill.

I think hands on or great return policy is the answer to buying guitars.

In this case I would craigs list it, take the loss and move on to the above system.

A great guitar makes you want to play it. A bad guitar is like a bad relationship, It just sucks.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:11 am
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Too many different possibilities with this situation. We don't even know yet if this knot actually exists or has just been deduced by a "tech" who doesn't know what to do with a problem.

Little to be said till we at least see pictures.

Though an educated second opinion sounds like a very good idea.

Cheers - C

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