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Post subject: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:36 pm
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Hi, in a strat with 5way selector how connect to make all pickup works with tone control ?
Actually like usual 1 pickup (mine is the bridge one) is not connected to the tone control.
Listen about a 'superswitch' ... what is' can you post some link?
and another solution with the traditional hardware (5way, 3pk up,2ton+1vol) ?
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:01 pm
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you could perhaps wire it ups with a master tone control. then you'll have an extra pot to put to use. maybe a second tone control with different value capacitor, or remove it and put in a kill switch for cuts ala- VH or buckethead, or even wire the neck pup to a toggle and have it run directly to the volume so you can have all 3 pups running at once. I did something similar with a 90's squier and used the 2nd tone control for a variable coil tap. here's the schematic I made.
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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:12 pm
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diSTRATto wrote:
Hi, in a strat with 5way selector how connect to make all pickup works with tone control ?
Actually like usual 1 pickup (mine is the bridge one) is not connected to the tone control.
Listen about a 'superswitch' ... what is' can you post some link?
and another solution with the traditional hardware (5way, 3pk up,2ton+1vol) ?
thank you :)


The Super Switch will make things more difficult for you. It is easier to do with the traditional hardware. Here are your choices:

1. One tone control to work for all 3 pickups where the other tone control would be disconnected.

2. One tone control to work for the neck and middle pickups where the other tone control will work for only the bridge pickup.

3. One tone control to work for the middle and bridge pickups where the other tone control will only work for the neck pickup.

Choose which one of the above you like best and we'll make you a wiring diagram.

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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:36 pm
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thanks to all.
x the solutions of bob, seems I need a switch, but I don't want to drill anything and modify my pickguard.so it's not good x me.But I ask you something:
what the use for the cap near the 5way selector?
and what the difference using 500k pot like you did? (I will also made an apposite post)

x martian (please don't call me 'boring man' :D)
using just 1 tone will be less versatle x me and the other way are those already have
(mine is bridge 'off').
So instead of superswitch, I think I could use 1 push pull tone, that when on will works with the 3rd pickup. isn'it? If it is possible, please post a diagram that way or something else similar.
ty :)


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:17 pm
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It seems that you need Martian's option 3, which will likely be as simple as adding a small jumper wire on the selector switch. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:54 am
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Another useful variation which I have in my No1 Strat is to have one Master tone control to work for all 3 pickups (the top most one) and instead of leaving the other disconnected it can be wired to work as a blend control that mixes the Neck pickup with whatever other pickup is selected on the pickup selector switch, so you can get effectively all 7 combinations. (ie. all the normal selections plus neck+bridge and also all three together).

The blend works backward so if you have the selector on the normal Bridge selection and the "blend" on 10 (it is a "no-load" tone pot so on 10 it is out of the circuit) it will sound like your normal Bridge position but as you roll the blend control down (ie, lower than 10) you will get more and more of the Neck pickup mixing in as you go further down until at 1 where you have a full Bridge+Neck mix, there's some useful sounds in there.

I bought a Kinman pre-wired harness wired to do this called the "K7".

Here's a link illustrating it:

http://www.kinman.com/image/install_tmp ... s-Rev2.pdf
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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:00 am
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shimmilou wrote:
It seems that you need Martian's option 3, which will likely be as simple as adding a small jumper wire on the selector switch. :idea:

That's what I do,I don't have a diagram,but Martian will,it's very easy to do.


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:42 am
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diSTRATto wrote:
thanks to all...

x martian (please don't call me 'boring man' :D)...
So instead of superswitch, I think I could use 1 push pull tone, that when on will works with the 3rd pickup. isn'it? If it is possible, please post a diagram that way or something else similar.
ty :)


Boring? No way.

If you use the push/pull tone, it will still interact with another pickup which will not meet your requirements. Rather, the options 2 or 3 as I've laid out above with the traditional hardware is still a much simpler solution.

It seems that most others here favor option 3. Let us, "Go with the flow". Here is a link to a wiring diagram for it:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IzePyu44liI/T ... andard.png

Look at the four terminals on the top of the pickup selector switch. Notice that the second and third terminals have a soldered wire joining them together. This is all you would have to add to make your lower tone pot work for the middle and the bridge pickups. Your upper tone pot will still work only for the neck pickup.

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:19 am
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diSTRATto wrote:
thanks to all.
x the solutions of bob, seems I need a switch, but I don't want to drill anything and modify my pickguard.so it's not good x me.But I ask you something:
what the use for the cap near the 5way selector?
and what the difference using 500k pot like you did? (I will also made an apposite post)

x martian (please don't call me 'boring man' :D)
using just 1 tone will be less versatle x me and the other way are those already have
(mine is bridge 'off').
So instead of superswitch, I think I could use 1 push pull tone, that when on will works with the 3rd pickup. isn'it? If it is possible, please post a diagram that way or something else similar.
ty :)

the reason I put the extra cap in is because the bridge pup is a humbucker, just wanted to beef up that pup. the 500k pots are there due to the HB as well. I like snowy's notion of turning one of the pots to a blend rather than adding a switch.


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:20 pm
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Martian wrote:
diSTRATto wrote:
thanks to all...

x martian (please don't call me 'boring man' :D)...
So instead of superswitch, I think I could use 1 push pull tone, that when on will works with the 3rd pickup. isn'it? If it is possible, please post a diagram that way or something else similar.
ty :)


Boring? No way.

If you use the push/pull tone, it will still interact with another pickup which will not meet your requirements. Rather, the options 2 or 3 as I've laid out above with the traditional hardware is still a much simpler solution.

It seems that most others here favor option 3. Let us, "Go with the flow". Here is a link to a wiring diagram for it:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IzePyu44liI/T ... andard.png

Look at the four terminals on the top of the pickup selector switch. Notice that the second and third terminals have a soldered wire joining them together. This is all you would have to add to make your lower tone pot work for the middle and the bridge pickups. Your upper tone pot will still work only for the neck pickup.


thank you very much. I'll do this way. so if I have understand, every way of the 5way will be affected by pots (e.g 2nd position neck,middle I could use both tone pots----3rd position just middle I can use 2nd tone pot and so on)
Why fender doesn't got this from factory? (mine guitar pots work from 1stto4th position. 5th bridge only doesn't work). Ok in this way in 2nd and 4th position you will have 2 independent pot x neck pu and midlle pu, while in martian's mode :D you will have 2 pot just in 2nd position (if I have understood), but I think is better that way, becasue can use tone control to every pkup.)

It's correct ? or am I very crappy? :D


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:27 pm
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the reason I put the extra cap in is because the bridge pup is a humbucker, just wanted to beef up that pup. the 500k pots are there due to the HB as well. I like snowy's notion of turning one of the pots to a blend rather than adding a switch
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ehmmm I'm not English ... to beef up the pkup means??

I' m thinking to put an HB (single coil size) on bridge.. so it's better change the pots from 250 to 500? both volume and tone or just tone? and waht the difference changing from 250 to 500?

ty to all

(I have to say that this forum is one of the few where I have found very kind people.ty)


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:35 am
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Personally I would opt for wiring the bridge and neck pups on the same tone control. With the standard Strat wiring you would never use those 2 pups together.
Easy to do. Follow the wire from the neck pup tone control up to the 5 way switch (should be lug 3). Lug 1 will be empty. Solder a jumper from Lug 1 to Lug 3. Done!!

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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:36 pm
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x martian

ty yur diagram works very well.
Can you please add a mod, if I want to use a bridge humb (4 cables) with possibility of split it by a tone or volume pot with push pull?

I want to use a humb single coil size, can you please tell me if I have to use one 500kpot
or it's ok the 250,and also if I have to use an additional cap andwhat capacity?

the last thing : could you post a link to a push pull pot on web shop ? ty

I konw lots of things but please help me :)


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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:10 pm
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diSTRATto wrote:
x martian

ty yur diagram works very well.
Can you please add a mod, if I want to use a bridge humb (4 cables) with possibility of split it by a tone or volume pot with push pull?

I want to use a humb single coil size, can you please tell me if I have to use one 500kpot
or it's ok the 250,and also if I have to use an additional cap andwhat capacity?

the last thing : could you post a link to a push pull pot on web shop ? ty

I konw lots of things but please help me :)


You're quite welcome.

The majority of single coil sized humbuckers were designed to operate with 250K pots. As you are deciding between the JB and the Hot Rails, these fall into the "majority".

You can select any of your existing pots and replace it with a push/pull pot of the same 250K value. No additional or substituted capacitor is necessary.

Now when you say, "split", do you mean you want the ability to turn one coil off or to have both coils still on but in parallel instead of series?

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Post subject: Re: STRAT tone control for every pickup
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:34 pm
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Now when you say, "split", do you mean you want the ability to turn one coil off or to have both coils still on but in parallel instead of series?


I mean turn one coil off. Didn't know about possibility of works in parallel and series.
But what you can suggest as more useful mod , to let the pull/push turns off one coil or change the modality series/parallel ? x useful I mean what is really different in sound and good to have between 1 coil off and series/parallel.

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