It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:11 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:11 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:52 pm
Posts: 2005
My buddy's '78 Strat has the same block of wood that he placed in it back then.
What's that... 33 years!

_________________
-T

"You can't spend what you ain't got, you can't lose what you ain't never had" ~ McKinley Morganfield


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:32 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Neither my strats or tele go out of tune. It's one of the benefits of having a well set up guitar (JK)

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:08 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
That made me think of the one stringed, upside-down washtub thing from Hee-Haw. That thing probably has the least amount of tuning issues of anything, no nut, bridge or tuners to fuss with. :lol:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:22 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:15 am
Posts: 655
Location: Brazil
To float or not to float. That´s the question.

In my opinion, the ones that says "You can´t float a stratocaster tremolo without tuning issues..." is a phrase for the weaks that do not know how to properly set it up with perfection.

I too had issues when I first minded that I wanted to float my trems. I´ve even gave up for a few weeks. But every string change I´ve learned something new, from theorys on the web to youtube videos and here at the lounge.

Today I can setup my strat floating very well with the carl verheyen method, you gotta understand and feel the physics going on your instrument, then it will be all a matter of time till you can setup yours perfectly without detuning it for weeks under heavy use.

What I´ve found crucial on the setup:
1 - Nut lubbed and properly cut.
2 - The less string trees on the way, the better.
3 - The balance between strings and bridge springs.
4 - The "musically" height of the tremolo (about 3.2mm gap)

And of course the basics, how to restring properly, lubbed contact points, string height and intonation.

When I first bought my strat I too took it to a tech to set it up. He said the same to me. But when I got back to him a few months ago with my strat, then he asked me for directions on how my setup was made with the floating tremolo. I showed him. He was amazed and said there was no need for me to take my strat to him anymore. Nowadays he doesn´t say that about flush tremolos anymore. Got that ?

The stratocaster is a personal object, like an extension to yourself, learn every hence of it, and it will love you right back!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
Mdred85 wrote:
Hello. I've been doing searches as well as talking to various techs about setting up a floating term. My usual tech said to just deck it because floaters can't stay in tune. I have the six pointer. There is a lot of conflicting info out here. Also I'm not a tech so is it so above a player setting it up. Thanks.


Mdred85:

While everyone is arguing about trems, here is how to set your guitar up yourself. It isn't hard and will give you a baseline on where else you might want to go. There are also a lot of good You Tube videos. Do a search for Carl Verheyen's trem setup video. In the interest of full disclosure, my trem is fully blocked. Good luck.

http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... etup-guide

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:45 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:27 am
Posts: 75
Thanks for all the feedback. I definitely want to float my trem and this info is very useful. Again thanks.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:42 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:03 am
Posts: 9449
Location: NL Canada
I deck all my trems and have no tuning issues when doing bends or dives.The secret is to have all contact points well lubed to minumize friction and to stretch the innards out of the stringss when you put them on.

_________________
'65 Strat,65 Mustang,65 Jaguar,4 more Strats,3 vintage Vox guitars,5 Vox amps,'69 Bassman with a '68 2-15 Bassman cab,36 guitars total-15asst'd amps total,2 vintage '60s Hammond organs & a myriad of effects-with a few rare vintage ones.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:23 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:09 am
Posts: 81
Location: Greece, Athens
Twelvebar wrote:
nikininja wrote:
I've never played a les paul that was in the slightest bit stable. That nut design is just plain wrong, everything about the headstock end of those guitars is poorly thought out.

I have yet to play an angled headstock guitar that doesn't go out of tune from normal string bends.

There is a trade off for that extra down force imparted to the strings by the neck angle.


I can assure you have done something wrong with the LP... The strings have a way of wrapping around the tuners when you install them. If you do it anyway you like, the guitar will not stay in tune. If you follow the instructions by Gibson on how to install new strings, plus add a bit of pencil bits on the nut (to reduce friction-i.e. graphite) then the only reason the guitar would go out of tune is the temperature. They are sensitive to temperature changes. It happens with some types of wood, especially the ones Gibson uses.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:45 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:29 pm
Posts: 1162
Location: Lee, MA
Mine floats, and it stays in tune much better than when i had it flush. I dont know why, but it does. A properly setup guitar, with the nut cut properly, and lubricated if need be(though shouldnt need to if it was cut properly), will stay in tune.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:35 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Mate it's got nothing to do with tuner windings. Which I'm anal about at the best of times. But everything to do with straight string path which is woefully absent from the design. Look at the G&D slots. Their not even cut straight. It's downright shoddy design.
As for pencil lead, graphite or vasceline, no thanks. Horrible ugly, messy solutions that are just a cowboyish bodge that doesn't address the problem. Dental floss works much better and doesn't mess up the nut slots.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:24 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 20, 2009 2:58 pm
Posts: 2293
Location: Adirondacks
I have all my trems floating. I have no tuning issues because I learned that when you make the string tension equal on the springs then you will have no tuning problems. Here is a great video that will help explain and take away any confusion! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-F7iSIopA

Hope this helps!
ABS :D


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:47 pm
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:34 am
Posts: 168
I followed the instructions in the Carl Verheyen video and now my guitar is much easier to handle. Does it stay perfectly in tune after trem bar use? No, but like others have said a little nudge and it's fine for me.

I have heard the "trem needs to be decked in order to stay in tune" and that is what I had done. The tips and tricks in this thread helped me learn about my instrument and add a lot of fun to my guitar playing.

Thanks :D

_________________
'09 Am Deluxe Ash Strat
'09 Mex Standard Strat
'10 Mex Standard Tele
Champ 600
Blues jr.
'65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:16 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:31 pm
Posts: 2122
Location: Southern California Mountains
The secret to getting your Six Screw Vintage Style Tremolo to float comfortably is in the two outer most screws.

The secret to getting your strings to come back from a tremolo is lubricating the nut, whether you use Graphite, lead, paraffin wax, or floss (first time I heard that one, have to try it).

On a personal note, a "Decked" tremolo just feels wrong to me. It puts the saddles at the wrong angle.

_________________
"Persistence Is The Father Of Invention"
-Crazy Old Man In Training
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:14 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Firstmeasure, I much prefer floss. Stops all that grey staining and gunk build up. Use a very waxy floss. I use OralB. Leaves the nut slots clean, tidy, lubed and smelling fresh. Also you get the wax exactly where you want it. I've always suspected pencil lead not to get into the high E and B slots.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: floating trem
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:20 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:27 am
Posts: 75
Out of curiosity,does anyone know how Hendrix had his trem set?


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: