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Post subject: Re: Reason I Left Vinny Pop Metamorphisis Fender To Scientis
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:41 am
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Post subject: Re: Reason I Left Vinny Pop Metamorphisis Fender To Scientis
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:32 pm
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Ok...tell that to St. Augustine. He was quite faithful and very logical.

Also, how about any scientist who believes in god?

In a way, logic actually is a kind of faith.

There's a fundamental formulation of logic which everyone takes on faith.

I equals I
I does not equal not I

Meaning something is itself and is not something that is not itself.
The only reason to believe this is based in logic so, at base, you have to have faith in logic for it to be a valid system.

Faith actually comes from logic. If there was no logical thinking nobody would be able to justify their own belief.

I assume you guys will agree with me that you believe you will, in your lifetime, not spontaneously turn into a stratocaster. What is that belief based in? The logical conclusion that comes from the fact that we have never observed anyone turning into a stratocaster. It doesn't happen so logic lets us believe that it will continue to be impossible (unless we get new evidence that it can somehow happen).

Any faithful person has an answer for why they believe what they believe. That, too, is logic. Like you say. Your reason for believing is that you find the Bible to be written by reliable witnesses. That is a logical conclusion to which you've come.

It might be true that, if someone were to bring evidence to you that showed the gospels were not credible you would change your mind, but more likely you would keep your current belief because there would be a logical explanation within your belief system as to why that evidence could possibly be the incredible evidence (for example, it was created to tempt you away from God perhaps, or as a test of faith, or simply the evidence was based on faulty logic or any number of reasons). But that would be a logical conclusion you came to as well based on a premise you have.

I respect that you and i probably have different beliefs, but mine are not necessarily the opposite of yours or incompatible with them. There's no opposition between belief and logic. They are interdependent.



I yield to your logic. You're too smart for me.

There are scads of writings in the first and second and third centuries regarding the books of the Bible. If you can find it, "The History of the Church," by Eusebius, written in about 310, explains it. They went through a selection process of what went in and what was left out.


Hmm. Yeah i have heard of Eusebius but I have never read that book. I've only heard kind of the gist of it. One day when I'm not super busy with homework I'll have to read it.


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Post subject: Re: Reason I Left Vinny Pop Metamorphisis Fender To Scientis
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:25 pm
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V .......I have tried it on paintings and other objects nothing happens. Let me now try to eplain scientifically. As a 3d film producer films in left and right to reveal depth on screen I have filmed in angles off the LCD screen negative of Guiseppe Enrie to reveal skin tones and other properties that were hidden. This incredible negative by Guiseppe Enrie reveals elements that are hidden a painting filmed with my system reveals nothing. The job of a photographic negative is to reveal the positive true image when processed. I have provan it is therefore a negative by the hidden elements it has revealed. Eample the ray imagery of the left foot toe with a luminous digit attached. The actual spear wound puncture hole, the strange objects on the eyes which look like carved round and square stones. Look at my images of the incredible necklace, a shiny round stone.......paintings do not do this.


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Post subject: Re: Reason I Left Vinny Pop Metamorphisis Fender To Scientis
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:34 pm
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I was kinda hoping this conversation was going to peter out on its own accord but it doesn't really seem to be doing so. Interesting topic but definitely questionably appropriate here and I've already received a few complaints about it. Conversation probably best suited offline, eh?

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