Vinny: The Legend Returns! Welcome back Vinny, and good to know you're well mate.
Take care and all the best for your project!

Cheers

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What does filming it at different angles do if you're doing this on a reproduction of the original that's made from one angle?

Hey Vin.

Techno Techno Techno Notice. Good to see you mate.
BLLLAAAAAAAAAAAH TWAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

All those questioning your findings, the way you pass your time and think about things, I think miss the point.
WWJS
I think he's delighted you have a interest at all. Just remember, the grave couldn't hold him. Thats why it doensnt have to hold you. One reason why the blanket don't mean a lot to me, amongst other reasons
Just calm down on the 're-write the bible' bit, eh Vin. You believe the Gospel to be the Word of God same as a lot of us.
Personally I don't see any blanket to be anywhere near as important as having The Man Himself in your life. But I know He wouldn't berate you for looking into such things. And a lot of Christians need to remember their meant to be Christ like. Thats what the name meant. Even if they do accept the validity of Paul's teachings. (remember that disagreement we had?)

So aside from all that Vin, how you keeping? And please, don't give up on rock'n'roll. Nothing wrong with bringing a bit of innocent pleasure into peoples lives.

Oh and I totally recommend you go read Fox's book of Martyr's. Thats a great book for resetting all ego's back to zero. Before any argument that non of us want breaks out.

Whaddya say?

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This thread has no need to be locked at all whatsoever. Don't like it? don't read it. plain simple. I dont want to see anyone launching on our Vin.

Hey Vin, Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and twaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Im glad to see you back- dont you ever leave us for good there friend. I was wondering what you were up to these days, I hope you have been doing well Don't listen to anyone running you down mate- in fact im allways curious about discoveries about anything like this. Whatever it is you're up to during your day, you keep at it

I have to agree with Nik, people need to be easy on this. You certainly are a peaceful man of faith. Some see no relevance or significance in the shroud, others flock to it in pilgrimage. But it is in no way wrong and no-one has the right to judge you or what you believe in or how you believe in it. People who do this, is what I believe is wrong with the world today. But anyway, enuff about that. Nothing wrong with studying it Vin, and the man himself wouldnt be complaining.

Tell us all what else you have been up to lately mate.. and never put down lonely boy!! as far as I'm concerned, that baby sits up there in our hearts with Blackie

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I don't think Jesus (provided he existed/exists which I have no way of proving or disproving) would not want me to accept someone's claims about something like this without thinking about it/trying to understand the claim.

There's nothing wrong with questioning. It would be rather negligent to blindly follow anything, I think (including a religion if you don't fully understand it).

I don't mean any disrespect. I just want to understand his reasoning and evidence.

I can see your point, but like all other things- related or non-related, we cant look too deep into it. I am just as interested and curious as you are, but I can see others chiming in & taking it our of proportion. As controvertial as it is, or isnt- I just take it for what it is (that he has done). Our vin likes to keep himself occupied at times with all sorts of hobbies & pastimes and he really embraces whatever he does. Besides, when I like to learn about these types of topics (and I do) I like to loose myseld in Youtube... a wealth of informative documentaries to be found

Besides, its tucka time in Sydney - time to eat!!

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The thing with the shroud is :

Thus far the experimentation performed by those on either (or both,) sides of the debate has been flawed at best.

The section that was dated has a high probability of being sampled from a section that was repaired and on top of that, even the guy who invented carbon dating has said the tests that people claim say it is too new didn't take into account recarbonization from exposure to that big fire, and/or the preserving effects of polymerization of microbes living in the fibres.

All testing so far has resulted in a big fat maybe.

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I'm not an expert, but I play one on the internet.

V my comment was in no way directed at anyone, or you in particular. Just at the spirit in which we all sometimes deal with people. What you believe is your choice, I can't make you change. If you hold yourself accountable to a religeon, then that religeons tenets apply when dealing with anyone.

Anyone onto a bit of forum advice.

Any thread by VinnyPop can go anywhere. I fully expect there to be tales of Holywood excess, UFO's, heavenly apparitions, cellulose intoxicated rats performing a very organic relic'ing process. And probably a few 50's style rock'n'roll songs, before this thread is over.


Don't let it phase you mate. Keep your eye on this and try to not let it drive you insane.

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niki blerties and twelvebar the nutter and all hello my good friends. Wont go insane hahhaha have already nearly been there blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and twaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Thankyou for not moving it I feel comfortable here. Will never give up my rock n roll music, this came up without warning I never planned it. To answer the question how it works is I will try
Firstly it is a negative or plain photograph but what I have discovered from a system I developed in 1989 while making video clips is
When you film the negative in angles and then overlay them together the skin and other secrets are revealed. Why does this work ? This incredible cloth has been provan to have 3d codes in it. But no one except for Nasa and a couple of scientists have revealed anything major. I now have. The necklace around the neck with a shiny stone, these carved stones on the eyes. These are Jewish rituals of placing stones on the dead. Have just downloaded on my channel a before and after short clip of the 2 faces side by side and you can now see my miraculous work. I have provan its not a painting real photographs are now coming out.
Check out the new clip with faces side by side love you all amd weaning myself back into music as my job has now ended for God to reveal His true face. I believe it is truly His Shroud no doubts about it. Why ? because the Jewish rituals of placing stones on the eyes and around the neck prove its Jewish and has probably also dated it as well seeing Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70AD by the Romans. Toes are ripped off the left foot I have evidenced this with xray imagery this was not written in the Bible. But when Christ died as I keep now saying to concerned viewers and Church people no bones were broken. The toes were ripped from the tendons by Romans. Their concern stems from the Old Testament prophecy '' no broken bones ''

OK, let's discuss.

In your first post on this thread you stated that your music and guitar building had come to an end, and you gave it all away. Now you state that you will never give it up. Which is it?

You were vinnypop, then you stated over again as vinnypop1. I don't care for the inane babbling stories of your previous persona, but apparently others like it, I can deal with that. Why the change of name?

I see no one "questioning your findings", but rather questioning whether this is the appropriate place for such a post.

So, the questions are, do you believe in Jesus and that he was God in human form? Do any findings that you make on this worthless cloth determine your belief? I predict that the main-stream will never accept that Jesus was who he said he was, regardless of the science involved, regardless of eye-witness accounts, and regardless of miracles performed.

I am not bashing you or your belief, and I do not dislike you, I just have questions. And if this is the appropriate place to discuss, then let's do it. No matter how anyone wants to slice it, this discussion has some religious meaning. In case some are unaware, the "Shroud" was the cloth that Jesus was believed to have been buried in.

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See Vin, what I can't get about the shroud and it's authenticity.

Christ was crucified and died. Now theres all kinds of nonsense written about who killed him and who's responsible. It was the Jews, it was the Romans, yadda yadda blah blah. The simple fact is, he had not sinned, the wages of sin is death. So he did not die as much as give up his life. And whilst were about it, who's fault is it he died? All of ours, Christ came and paid the price for sinners.
Basic Christian belief.

Now concerning the shroud.
On the third day he rose from the grave. Said to Thomas, am I a ghost? Put your hand in the hole. So he wasn't a ghost, he physically rose from the dead. Never sinned, not deserving of death the grave couldn't hold him.

My big question concerning the shroud.
How in that three days did it leave a inprint of the Man's body? The body hadn't started to decompose in that time. He wasn't buried in it afterwards, cos He ascended to Heaven.

Sorry mate, I just can't buy that the markings on the shroud are HIS. It could be anyones blanket.

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Very insightful nikininja.

The point often missed by many is that Jesus came specifically to die, defeat death, and rise, thus paying for our sin. So his death was a good thing (for us), the best of things, and no one person or group of people can be held responsible, it was preordained, meant to be, a purposeful sacrifice.

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Hello shimilou fair enough. I have stopped gigging yes. But my love of guitars is still there. I was forced to change my name from vinnypop to vinnypop1 because last year Fender changed their site and I was unable to log back in as vinnypop for some bizare reason.
My faith existed before my Shroud discoveries. Even if you think its worthless which you have every right to think at least give me some credit for the incredible work I have done.
Look at my latest clip side by side the before and after face. search youtube vincenzo ruello
I believe Jesus is God the son and His father is greater than Him as Jesus even said this. He is a divine being. My work on the Shroud as it becomes more famous will leave many with more questions especially the feet clip. This clip will disturb many and I will probably be hated but its not my problem as I have only revealed images which were there. As an amateur film scientist after what I know and have done I find the images created on the Shroud totally miraculous....I have provan it is not a painting a true negative in 3d. No one has yet to recreate this though another Italian tried a couple of years ago and failed miserably. Its not DaVinci as I have now provan its missing three toes on left foot. What I have done and time will tell is to strengthen and launch a nuclear missile so to speak into the skeptics who were saying its a painting. Peace to you also you were gentle to me thankyou

niki I am an enlightened being but humble myself before you and all here. As a film maker scientist photographer you are asking me a question that not even Richard Dawkins can answer but I will answer you now. The tomb was the darkness inside the camera, the Shroud was the film and the resurrection was the flash. The only way this image can be created is by an explosion of some type of power than left 3d encoded images in it. Regardless of who you think or dont think it belongs to its the only one in existance. Another insight niki. Jesus did not just come to save us from our sins, He came to reveal God His Father to us and release the Holy Spirit into His children. To be a crutch and fortress in bad times. This is now profound. If I have now truly revealed the real skin on his face and we see Him and this Shroud is real, it means that we have now entered the last page of the Bible '' and they shall see His face '' 22.4 but please dont kill the messenger

Exactly Lou.

I may be a bit ropey on theology, but thats the basic fundamental of it. The wages of sin is death, He never sinned, death couldn't hold him.

Now if I could just get the rest of it right.

Vinny, be very carefull when ordering levels of authority. You may find you're quite wrong. Just saying.
Who's to say the shroud is Jesus's shroud. Even that can't be proved. Theres just some outline of a bloke with a beard. It could be anyone from around that time. Thousands were crucified. Nailing to the cross wasn't all that uncommon. Neither was execution whilst on the cross. It's a death of suffocation more than anything. The way the arms are outstretched makes it near impossible to breathe after a while. Death can take days. Often it would be ended quickly by a Centurion sick of seeing the suffering.
I really suggest you read Fox's book of Martyrs and see the accounts of early Church executions.
That blanket (thats all it is) if it's authentic could be anyones. Wrapping the body in a blanket before it went into the catacombs was common practice. Everyone who died and was put to rest in a catacombe had one. Sorry Vin theres too much evidence against the validity of the shroud for me to believe it was Jesus's. Let alone believe that he managed to leave decomposition marks on it in only three days.

Vinny if you want real biblical archeology take a look at this countryman of your's videos. He made some remarkable discoveries whilst he was with us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1QvTbFHS4A

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