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Post subject: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:39 am
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Why don't Fender consider selling 'filled pickguards' without the pups?

Many people wish to change PUs, often to other Fender types, sellings these would enable people to keep their old 'rig' whilst giving them the flexibility to try-out new pups alongside Fender-quality pots and wiring!

Fender sell replacement PUs, so why not??

Anyone watching this site from the marketing dept???


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:28 am
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You can already buy everything aside from the wire as a spare part from Fender and source parts from where Fender does as well for some components.

I'm sure you could even pickup the same wire, the same solder (if you wanted the same) with a little examination and some inside knowledge.

The reason why it might not take off - can you imagine them having to sell all the different pick guards loaded with different wiring setups that Fender sells. Some would sit around forever.

People would also buy them an stick them into Squiers and not buy expensive Strats.
Fender can also charge more for the individual parts.

For people who can't solder it would be a wonderful thing. But then you would hit a brick wall when you discover you had to solder the pickups in properly anyway.

Learning to solder is a good skill if you intend to modify anything involving electronics.
Once you have the skill to solder properly you should be able to assemble the electronics as good as if not better.


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:51 am
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Shockwarrior wrote:
You can already buy everything aside from the wire as a spare part from Fender and source parts from where Fender does as well for some components.

I'm sure you could even pickup the same wire, the same solder (if you wanted the same) with a little examination and some inside knowledge.

The reason why it might not take off - can you imagine them having to sell all the different pick guards loaded with different wiring setups that Fender sells. Some would sit around forever.

People would also buy them an stick them into Squiers and not buy expensive Strats.
Fender can also charge more for the individual parts.

For people who can't solder it would be a wonderful thing. But then you would hit a brick wall when you discover you had to solder the pickups in properly anyway.

Learning to solder is a good skill if you intend to modify anything involving electronics.
Once you have the skill to solder properly you should be able to assemble the electronics as good as if not better.


Paragraph1: Yes I'm very well aware of that, however it would be much more convenient to buy the pickguard, jackplug and pots with most of the wiring soldered in!

paragraph2: Completely inane comment.

Paragraph3: I can solder thanks, this again is down to convenience.

paragrraph4: That would be true is they DID stock every conceivable variation of tone circuit, pot impedance, and wiring configuration. I don't recall suggesting they did! You could add the eight hole and two different configurations of eleven hole scratch-plate design to that comment too! What I would suggest is the most popular config: i.e. later 11 hole plate, in white only; with the Am Std impedance pots and wiring config. Anyone now wanting the sound of a more traditional rig would simply have to avoid adjusting the middle pot, to simulate the sound of a bridge PU not being adjustable for tone- hardly much of an issue!

paragraph5: What's wrong with someone upgrading a Squire if they want to? Half the threads on this site are about upgrades. Some might think (me for one) that there is no point putting relatively expensive electronics into budget hardware, but it's a free country, wherever you are! In any case if someone is that keen to upgrade their Squire whats to stop currently using the individual parts Fender sell?

Paragraph6: See my response to paragraph3!

paragraph7: see my response to paragraphs 1 & 3

What it comes down to, my cynical friend, is CONVENIENCE, after all, why does anyone buy a Washing Machine?

If you wish to congratulate yourself on your electronic skills, by all means, do it all yourself, there's nothing wrong with D.I.Y! However if you are happy to pay a a little bit more and have someone else do most of the work for you, there is nothing wrrong with that either! I would rather do the latter, and I'm sure many other people would be too! I'm not too concerned about the small mark-up; probably one of the reasons I bought Fenders rather than Squires in the first place.


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:09 am
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adriandavidb, has shockwarrior upset you in a previous post?

You chose to post a question, and then have a go at the person who took the time to give a response :?

I guess because i'm new to the forum I must be missing something?

No offence meant :wink:


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:16 am
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adriandavidb wrote:
Paragraph1: Yes I'm very well aware of that, however it would be much more convenient to buy the pickguard, jackplug and pots with most of the wiring soldered in!


Which model has the jack socket in the pick guard?

Convenience for me is calling a tech who could knock out a vintage wired one in about 30mins in any color or pickup/pot configuration I wanted with the pickups installed.


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:47 am
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Here's one regarding wire.

When you trim the wires back (to do a neat job, something only found on Fender CS guitars). You get plently of wire to hook the pots and jacksocket up.

Sorry I can't stand scrappy wiring jobs.


Also on a more serious note. How many ways is there to wire a Strat? 40/50/60?
Thats a lot of options to have on the menu. Never mind all the pickup models they make. Theres only Dimarzio and SD with more choice in singlecoils.

What about when you want a different pickup in every position?

Sorry mate, I don't even like buying pickups in sets of three. Never mind having predetermined wiring. And I think it steers away from the main design idea behind Fender guitars. A guitar that the normal bloke can work on and fix.

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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:01 am
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adriandavidb wrote:
Shockwarrior wrote:
You can already buy everything aside from the wire as a spare part from Fender and source parts from where Fender does as well for some components.

I'm sure you could even pickup the same wire, the same solder (if you wanted the same) with a little examination and some inside knowledge.

The reason why it might not take off - can you imagine them having to sell all the different pick guards loaded with different wiring setups that Fender sells. Some would sit around forever.

People would also buy them an stick them into Squiers and not buy expensive Strats.
Fender can also charge more for the individual parts.

For people who can't solder it would be a wonderful thing. But then you would hit a brick wall when you discover you had to solder the pickups in properly anyway.

Learning to solder is a good skill if you intend to modify anything involving electronics.
Once you have the skill to solder properly you should be able to assemble the electronics as good as if not better.


Paragraph1: Yes I'm very well aware of that, however it would be much more convenient to buy the pickguard, jackplug and pots with most of the wiring soldered in!

paragraph2: Completely inane comment.

Paragraph3: I can solder thanks, this again is down to convenience.

paragrraph4: That would be true is they DID stock every conceivable variation of tone circuit, pot impedance, and wiring configuration. I don't recall suggesting they did! You could add the eight hole and two different configurations of eleven hole scratch-plate design to that comment too! What I would suggest is the most popular config: i.e. later 11 hole plate, in white only; with the Am Std impedance pots and wiring config. Anyone now wanting the sound of a more traditional rig would simply have to avoid adjusting the middle pot, to simulate the sound of a bridge PU not being adjustable for tone- hardly much of an issue!

paragraph5: What's wrong with someone upgrading a Squire if they want to? Half the threads on this site are about upgrades. Some might think (me for one) that there is no point putting relatively expensive electronics into budget hardware, but it's a free country, wherever you are! In any case if someone is that keen to upgrade their Squire whats to stop currently using the individual parts Fender sell?

Paragraph6: See my response to paragraph3!

paragraph7: see my response to paragraphs 1 & 3

What it comes down to, my cynical friend, is CONVENIENCE, after all, why does anyone buy a Washing Machine?

If you wish to congratulate yourself on your electronic skills, by all means, do it all yourself, there's nothing wrong with D.I.Y! However if you are happy to pay a a little bit more and have someone else do most of the work for you, there is nothing wrrong with that either! I would rather do the latter, and I'm sure many other people would be too! I'm not too concerned about the small mark-up; probably one of the reasons I bought Fenders rather than Squires in the first place.


Wow. Use some manners when you respond to someone who has taken the time to answer your question. :roll:

This question gets asked all the time. It is not part of Fender's business model. There are already multiple sources where you can purchase fully loaded pickguards. Why should Fender bother?

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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:31 am
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You guys are all quite right, looking back at my response it was quite unreasonable. perhaps I should have learnt by now never to post when caught in the wrong mood, or at a bad moment.

Shockwarrior, please accept my appologies, I was a total twat!


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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:42 am
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Man enough to apologize = not a total twat, in my book.

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Post subject: Re: New product suggestion for Fender
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:40 am
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Agreed. You are not a twat. Just a naughty boy!! :lol:


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