thanks for the advice guys i'll take it all on board

i just cant understand how my gretch wasn't effected as i used this guitar more than the strat. it also has fins instead of round pole pieces - eg more surface area so you'd think would rust more quickly! this guitar was put back into its case after tracking 2.

perhaps some cases are more efficient at wicking away moisture as well?

anyway, i'll not put the strat back in the case after use. there was me thinking i was taking care of my beloved guitar

If you had been here for any reasonable length of time you would know that Arjay isn't ignorant.....he was direct and to the point,and you didn't like the answer you got.
You've gotten some sensible advice here,good luck with your guitar.

Every guitar I have ever stored in a hard case for more than a couple of weeks has experienced these "issues"....Dead, tarnished strings, and the frets build up a green or dark grey tarnish that is rough to bend strings on. I now leave nearly all of my guitars on stands and have not have any ill effects from this practice. ANY guitar you leave stored in an air-tight hard case (such as the Fender molded plastic cases) will tarnish, rust. I once had an Epiphone with a hard Epiphone case.....it would tarnish the gold hardware and rust the strings overnight in that case!

If you had been here for any reasonable length of time you would know that Arjay isn't ignorant.....he was direct and to the point,and you didn't like the answer you got.
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what rust is created by moisture?

yeah i think i knew that, his advice was pointless. clearly i knew about moisture build up in cases, i even mentioned the silicon gel pack.

he is argumentative, crass and moronic.

i asked a question, nothing more, and he clearly took offence at the question or the way in which it was asked.

cleary he is not the type of person who should offer advice as he cannot do it without being passive aggressive.

there is nothing in the fender booklet saying - do not store in case your guitar might rust!

but now i know people have had similar problems - which is all i originally asked about, i know not to put the guitar away in its case.

Try this...

Put a hygrometer in the case (without the guitar), and leave it in there over night. Open the case and look at the reading to see what the percentage of humidity in your case is.

If you have some type of wetness in the case, the moisture can build up and cause exessive moisture causing your guitar to become over humidified while in the case.

I'm not saying that's the problem but testing it would eliminate it as a posability.

Hope this helps.

So are we talking like hardcore rust like you would see on my car or light discoloration? If it's the latter a good polish job could solve that. Just think, some people pay to have their pickups look like that (I have antiquities on my strat). ^^ I store my guitars in case too, might be why the hardware on my strat and tele look a bit on the cruddy side before they're due for their 6 month polishing session. Perhaps I'll experiment and store them out of case, see what happens >_>

Depending on the year (Which I think you mentioned but I can't go back that far in topic review >_>), your single PUs should be Samarium Cobalt or the Newer N3s while the humbucker would probably be Alnico. Which probably would have something to do with the tarnish.

BTW, Arjay's not a troll. He has been much help to many on this forum, myself included, especially in the amp section. Amp techs sometimes have a tendency to assume user fault, having witnessed many problems that occurred due to human error.

Anyways-Most rust is created by moisture, as in order for oxidation to occur you need oxygen. However, actual rust on the frets is weird, seeing as frets are nickel and nickel doesn't rust to an extent, it just lightly tarnishes as the electrolytes and moisture from your skin slowly oxidize it (I mean slow-this takes years for nickel). Just have them polished and let us know what happens from their. ^^

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Streuth - another of these flavored threads, so soon after the previous episode.

lonetraider, nothing Arjay said in his first post or anywhere else on this thread justifies the invective you have strewn across it. He is well known to many here as an extremely experienced, knowledgeable, friendly and helpful Forum user. In addition to which not one word that he has said here is incorrect.

Enough of the incredible over reaction. You are not making yourself look good.

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funny, you didn't quote argy who was pathetic enough to laugh at the fact my guitar has rust on it. i don't care how i look, clearly there are some people on here on my side 2. if you actually read everything i had written, you would see i was the one who moved on.

anyway, to all other reasonable posters actually interested in helping rather than blaming or pathetic point scoring:

the humbucker has slight rust, and for some reason it is the frets closest to the body which are discoloured the most- but tbh the frets are not a big deal at all. i don't know why because, i rarely use those frets. the frets are a little yellow green colour, but the humbucker is definatly rusted.

i think i'll invest in a new case. i agree that a non-breathable injection molded plastic case is probably the worst thing to put your guitar.

the gretch has a strange leathery material type case, which might be allowing the guitar to breathe better.

i have never opened the guitar case and found any signs of condensation in the morning, which you'd expect if my case was truly moisture filled - like someone has spilled something in it and not told me.

ps, i wouldn't mind so much if all the pickups had rust, however, the single coils are sparkling, and the humbucker looks, well, like i have ripped it out of a second hand guitar and dumped it in. lol

That's enough please. We try to keep the forum as polite as possible for the sake of everyone's enjoyment.

I wish you the best of luck with this strange predicament - let us know how the new case works out for you!

Here's and idea!!!

Why don't we squash all this fighting and try the suggestion that I posted earlier. It could very well be the key to the problem.

Or could this thread have become so far gone that it's not worth trying to figure out the original problem any more?

Just sayin.

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$20-$30 for a hygrometer that will benefit all your other guitars too...

Or I can kill this thread by posting pic's of some pretty fantastic footwear....

Andy

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how will a hygrometer benefit my guitars?

i don't know much about them, athough i know they detect humidity.

How would i be able to tell if there is too much or too little humidity outside or inside my case?

How humid must the air be for me to be able to use my fender supplied guitar case without my guitar rusting! lol

i could even drill holes in the case in the bottom so the air can get in but the rain cant!

This whole issue reminds me of harley davison bikes, my old woodword teacher was moaning about how he bought one and how it rusted very quickly and he said he found out the reason there aren't many harley davisons in the uk, is the paintwork didn't suit our climate.

Thats what he said, don't know how true it is.

Perhaps it seemed like that but I was not "laughing" at your predicament. We've all committed similar bone-headed mistakes of one magnitude or another (in my case, it involved storing a pistol in the trunk of an automobile many years ago).

And +1 for the poster to this thread who mentioned pulling your guitar's pickguard to inspect the controls and wiring for similar corrosion issues. I thought about that last night as I retired and remembered that the switch contacts must be clean to prevent audible noise and/or intermittent conductivity. Use De-Oxit or whatever similar product is available across the pond. Spray some into the pots as well to ensure no foreign matter becomes lodged between the wafers and the wipes.

HTH

Arjay

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naaaaaa its cos the worlds moved on from tractor engined behemoths give me a screaming $@! inline 4 any day! Mind you now im older and me knees are knackered praps its time for a harley

doh why the block on j .. a .... p ?