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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:00 pm
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For me, when I shoot urethane, I am really OCD. ...

I should probably get around to redoing my urethane paint project. it was pretty much near completion when it was damaged by drunken friends. Some of the guys here seemed to like it.

It's such an old topic, i'll probably have to start a new thread when I redo it. it was a fairly involved paint job, this time around i'll try to take more pictures of the process.

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:54 pm
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Maybe we should pass on the refinish for a bit and get the wiring done on the STRAT-O-TELE-CASTER! :wink: I am getting excited about getting this together. Back to where we left off. If some of you are just now popping in to see what this thread is about, go back through the pages and check out the Stratotele pickups on this wiring setup. I have chosen a Fender no-load tone control for the neck pickup and a TBX- for the bridge and middle pickups.

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I had to do a little thinking for the lower mini-switch, but really once looking it over, it was a no-brainer. What this switch does is turns on the bridge pickup when your in the neck position so you get: neck + bridge and using both tone controls like on a Gibson. Then when you are on position #4 you get: neck + middle + bridge. A nice trick because you can get a lot of different tone combos. If you follow the two gray wires you can see how they are wired up. One runs to the lead for the bridge pickup and the other end goes to the lug connected to the middle tone control. i also used a small "bleed" cap on the volume control, which helps the guitar not get muddy when you turn it down. Oh, the top mini-switch is a coil splitter for the neck humbucker.

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When I finish wiring a guard, I take a powerful magnifying glass and check every solder joint. Then I connect the wiring to alligator clamps and to a plus on a guitar cable to an amp to tap test all the pickup.....and yup, she works. Notice too, that the middle DiMarzio is wiring colors backwards as the white is hot compared to the Seymour Duncan where Black is hot.

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Here is the finished product:

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Cat scratch fever.......

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:43 am
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So you're a fan of the no-load and TBX circuitry I take it?
I've never tried either but there sure seems to be a lot of debate on both.
Your opinions on them...

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:35 am
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But anywhichway, I personally probably couldn't participate since I don't have a workspace at hand

No, but you know someone who does (if Workmates in the garden count as a "workspace"). Come to think of it, you know at least two friendly people with facilities...


Too, too gracious, Mr C! And Yes, Workmates count. :lol: Thanks!!

Now, first proper visit to the Forums in days. Better get catching up! (just got re-wired to the interweb. Literally - cause the wireless ain't workin' yet.... Flip!

Cheers lads - And Mr X, marvellous work on the patching up and wiring. I'm seeing a great future for that black hybrid beast! :D

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:59 am
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Cracking job as usual X man.

You've got both of my favourite mods in there. Coil tap and a Bridge on switch. Marvellous! 8)

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For me, when I shoot urethane, I am really OCD. ...

I should probably get around to redoing my urethane paint project. it was pretty much near completion when it was damaged by drunken friends. Some of the guys here seemed to like it.

It's such an old topic, i'll probably have to start a new thread when I redo it. it was a fairly involved paint job, this time around i'll try to take more pictures of the process.

What!?! Not the Red Stripy one! :(

I was very close to bumping that thread to see what the final result was... Ah well, I for one would be very interested in a little update. :D

Cheers!

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:28 am
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So you're a fan of the no-load and TBX circuitry I take it?
I've never tried either but there sure seems to be a lot of debate on both.
Your opinions on them...

Ummmm, Ya I have seen some debate on these items. One reason I like the no-load tone control is the fact that at 10 it does remove the pot from the circuit. I play almost all my guitars with all the pots on 10. I just like the sound and feel of them being wide open. There are times I tame down the neck pickup some for blues and jazzy type sounds. So just have the straight pickup appeals to me.

About the TBX. As many of you know, it is simply a stacked set of potentiometer that cuts either treble or bass, where as the standard tone control only cuts the treble. So we have: T (treble) B (bass) X (Cut) thus TBX. When you turn this knob, you can feel a halfway point (detent)—this is tone neutral (#5 on the knob!). Supposedly #5 is like a no-load but I have not checked that for sure. I will today. But the bass cut is a interesting feature. to be able to make the pickup even more bright sounding can be fun to play with as well as mixing it with the middle pickup when your doing those much discussed "quack" "out-of-phase" sounds. Since this is a StratoTele I wanted that with this special SD Twang Banger pickup to give it even more Tele bridge bite.

Also, let's admit it, fancy gizmos, help sell guitars. WOW, this one is a hot rod with these custom mods! Guitars are a lot like cars.....we can't be happy with them stock, we need to do something to make them stand out in the crowd, to be talked about, and make them special to us! Not to mention the hobby aspect of just doing some custom hot rodding yourself (like why I am building this guitar...), and to have something to talk to your buddies about! LOL! Have you ever been to a street rod meet? 8)

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:55 am
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Thanks for your feelings on the controls!
Just seems to be so much talk that I vacillate between wanting to try it and saying "well, maybe not". :lol: Guess you never know till you try it yourself!

As for street rod meets...oh yeah! 8)
Buddy of mine and I re-did a couple of 55 Chevy BelAir 2-door hardtops and 57 Chevy Nomads... from quads to dual-quads and then to six-packs. But that was a long time ago! Way before the price of gas became what it is now! :shock:

I'll stay quiet. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:50 am
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But anywhichway, I personally probably couldn't participate since I don't have a workspace at hand
No, but you know someone who does (if Workmates in the garden count as a "workspace"). Come to think of it, you know at least two friendly people with facilities...
Too, too gracious, Mr C! And Yes, Workmates count. :lol: Thanks!! Now, first proper visit to the Forums in days. Better get catching up! (just got re-wired to the interweb. Literally - cause the wireless ain't workin' yet.... Flip! Cheers lads - And Mr X, marvellous work on the patching up and wiring. I'm seeing a great future for that black hybrid beast! :D Nutter

So when we going to do this???????? I am ready to roll....well kind of....have a bit of travel coming up in a week till the first part of April. In May I will be on some of you Chaps side of the pond!!!

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:35 pm
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Following the last couple of responses, You'all just hit on my :?: about the TBX's.
As you all know I installed them in the Stratopartster I, I'm starting to like them even more.
The tone is definitely different and takes some adjustment realizing that the TBX is set @ neutral. At first the impression is " :oops: This is awful ". but after dialing in to either more bass or more treble, I really like the feature.
It has made these Vintage Noiseless that were on my MIM Player's Deluxe so much more versatile.
Interestingly I had strung it up with 009-042 and found I needed to change up to 0095-044.
the 009 set is just too light to produce a clear sound. It was kind of dead almost.

While on the subject of the TBX, I'm still in a quandary as to wiring up the other project.
HSS, Seymour Duncan HB (4 wire), 2 Vintage Noiseless for M & N. Master Vol. and Master TBX Tone, DPDT switch for single to dual coil option. But I want to just run it as a standard 5 way switch. N, NM, M, MB, B.
Qestion is how to run the SD 4 wires on the DPDT switch and then just to a conventional 5 way hook up :?: :idea:

I posted the question at the end of my build thread, but thought I would ask here also.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:13 pm
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While on the subject of the TBX, I'm still in a quandary as to wiring up the other project. HSS, Seymour Duncan HB (4 wire), 2 Vintage Noiseless for M & N. Master Vol. and Master TBX Tone, DPDT switch for single to dual coil option. But I want to just run it as a standard 5 way switch. N, NM, M, MB, B. Question is how to run the SD 4 wires on the DPDT switch and then just to a conventional 5 way hook up :?: :idea:
It is really pretty simple Mr. Mag. You simply treat the humbucker as a single coil—meaning you have a ground and a hot lead (on SD it is Black) and wire those two wires just like you would if it were indeed a single coil (black going to the front lug lefthand lug of the 5-way, just as in a stock wiring for a Strat. BUT the white and red wires, the other two of the 4 wires on the SD, are soldered together to the center lug on a on/off mini switch. And the other lug on the mini-switch goes to ground. So then you flip ON the mini-switch you ground the humbucker to the red+white thus activating only 1/2 the coil on the humbucker. Instead on a mini-switch you could also use a push/pull pot. Some examples below:

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:12 pm
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While on the subject of the TBX, I'm still in a quandary as to wiring up the other project. HSS, Seymour Duncan HB (4 wire), 2 Vintage Noiseless for M & N. Master Vol. and Master TBX Tone, DPDT switch for single to dual coil option. But I want to just run it as a standard 5 way switch. N, NM, M, MB, B. Question is how to run the SD 4 wires on the DPDT switch and then just to a conventional 5 way hook up :?: :idea:
It is really pretty simple Mr. Mag. You simply treat the humbucker as a single coil—meaning you have a ground and a hot lead (on SD it is Black) and wire those two wires just like you would if it were indeed a single coil (black going to the front lug lefthand lug of the 5-way, just as in a stock wiring for a Strat. BUT the white and red wires, the other two of the 4 wires on the SD, are soldered together to the center lug on a on/off mini switch. And the other lug on the mini-switch goes to ground. So then you flip ON the mini-switch you ground the humbucker to the red+white thus activating only 1/2 the coil on the humbucker. Instead on a mini-switch you could also use a push/pull pot. Some examples below:

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Thanks....I have to run to get to work, I'll get back to this when I return " It's FRIDAY 8) "...

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:03 pm
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What!?! Not the Red Stripy one! :(

I was very close to bumping that thread to see what the final result was... Ah well, I for one would be very interested in a little update. :D

Cheers!

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Nah not that, it's been patiently waiting for me to do the clear coats. I spray outside, and last year was uber rainy here, then winter set in, so and I work 60 hours + a week for the duration, so that will get finished this spring.n I should probably wire the pickguard at some point soon too.

I was referring to this :
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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:57 am
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On Friday I was going to finish spot painting the body, but did not get the time. I want to show you how to get to that point. After a few heavy coats of gray primer, I shot a thin coat of black primer over top the gray. The reason for this is to use the black as a guide coat for the sanding process.

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This is a great trick in refinishing cars or guitars. When you start wet sanding the finish the black primer will go to all the low areas and show you the unevenness of the surface as well as all the sand scratches. I am using #320 grit paper now. The whole point of this is not only leveling, but constantly working down to finer and finer grits of sandpaper, till the surface it ready for the paint coats.

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The pict below show the first primer coat ready for the final primer coat. In auto-body work we always did primer in two coats, unless there was something that was not finishing out properly. I shot on a heavy coat of black primer this time since the body finish is black. It will help cover any color coats that might be a little thin.

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Now, just like before, I shot another "guide coat" over the primer. This time I used the gray on top the black primer. It is ready for the final final sanding with #600 and then a few color coat, then some clear coats over the whole top to blend it all together. More to come this week.......

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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:05 am
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This thread is a stunner, Xhefri! Great work!

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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:25 am
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Ahhh.......The Mistery Veil is drawn back.....

Great explanation 8)

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