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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:42 pm
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Aliens? I feel like I am on one of the moons of Jupiter. Yesterday our front porch was like this:

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and this morning at 7:30 am like this:

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And it snowed all day and now raining. BB King is playing in our area tomorrow evening. We have tickets....hope we can get out????


Wow! It's great only if you don't have to go out in it, much less shovel it. I feel for you.

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:48 pm
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Than, Martian, is taking on DEEP significance!!!!

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:58 pm
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Than, Martian, is taking on DEEP significance!!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:09 am
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OK, this is for Mr C. Well, what do you think...if I found a decent MIJ 62 Reissue Strat Body and sent it to you with a vintage Tele bridge plate and string ferrules, and you could peice in some wood in the bridge pickup area and fill in the whole trem cavity, to make this a hard tail Strat with a vintage Tele bridge? I thing that would be a cool co-partner project. Would like it black and I would have to make a custom pickguard for it. What do ya think Mr. C.????

Ooo - just catching up and saw this. Wowza - suddenly everyone's sending me guitar bodies again! (More on that... later.)

Pop it in the post Mr X, along with your latest thoughts regarding bridge and other specs. It shall be done (in the fullness of time).

(By the way, seriously: in connection with another project I've just been investigating certain aspects of our respective governments' import duty/tax regulations. If you or anyone wants to send stuff talk to me first. There's ways to do this for free - and ways to get stung for plenty of the green-and-folding. Let's box smart, people.)

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:22 am
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Good stuff! Just what the forum needed. You can't beat an X man build thread.

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I take it the "Mouse Ears" on the neck pocket (only recently learnt about those!) will allow a Tele neck?

Andy



Mouse Ears?

Some explanation please?

Hi tyronne: just since nobody else seems to have addressed that one...

The heel end of a Strat neck has a curve on it, and traditionally the end of the neck pocket curves in the same way to fit. However, sometimes necks and pockets don't match perfectly and that can push the neck away from the bridge a fraction, so affecting intonation adversely. Solutions: you could round the individual neck heel a bit more to make a snug fit. Or you could work on the inside of the pocket to the same purpose.

However, in the mass production market a quicker, cruder solution is what you see in that picture. The router has been driven into the corners of the neck pocket to open them out some more so that the neck heel only touches the pocket end wall in the middle. The result looks to some eyes a little like Mickey Mouse's ears in shape, hence the slang "mouse ears" for that feature.

That used to be done with a hand-held router at the factory during setup on individual bodies where the neck and pocket didn't fit perfectly and you can see the traces of it plainly on some older bodies. But for many years now it has been incorporated into the CNC cut on most production line Strats and you will find the feature on American Standard and many other model guitars.

That is particularly odd, since with CNC programmed manufacture a perfect neck to pocket fit should be possible every time without these measures. Go figure.

It does however have the advantage of producing a pocket that will fit either a curved Strat heel or a straight Tele one, thus allowing Mr X to fit the wrong - er, an alternative - neck to his Strat body.

All clear?

Cheers - C

EDIT: typo.

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:50 am
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It was pretty cool of Mr C to offer to take time out from attending all those Medieval Reenactments he's so fond of ( :wink: ).

Now hold on. I want to be absolutely clear I am not involved in re-enactment. It's true I have been known to sail replica Viking ships now and again, but that is completely grown-up and in a spirit of serious archaeological investigation. ( :| )

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(That second photo is not mine - but it's pretty, isn't it?)

Or if it is certain post-Roman Vendel era artifact manufacture you have in mind, well again I made these as props for sensible sober purposes. I never dress up in this stuff and run around muddy fields bashing people over the heads pretending to be knights in armour. How childish:

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...2500-ish metal links in that maile neck curtain. Talk about boring - making that is about as dull as it gets!

(As it happens, I have in fact met rooms full of re-enactors and they are exceptionally nice, fun people with a healthy interest in ale. I just don't happen to be one of 'em.)


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And I thought he was hoping to shake off his forum rep for being "That guy who repairs guitars" ! :lol:

Yeah. But mud sticks, it seems... :lol:

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I'm sure there will be other opportunities for you two to sort out a collaborative build...

Now your talking! :D

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:03 am
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And you insisted you weren't into Heavy Metal... :lol:
Are those Norse Tones :?:

Another great build thread, I have just one complaint...Please Please do not post any more pics of that crystalized accumulation(s) of H2O.
Just fell on my canister once again this morning.. I love winter :cry:

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Post subject: Re: Stratotelecaster Build.....odd ducks...old farts...
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:03 pm
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Hey Mr. C. We need to "plan" a project. I think on this one I really want to have a tremolo system. Thanks for clarifying about the mouse ears! I just did not have time to post much this week due to too much crystallized accumulations of H2O.... :shock:

OK, Whet Mr C shared was right on! Here is the problem, even with these newer bodies. When I popped the neck on I saw that turned sideways all the holes line up perfectly and when mesured at that position the intonation will be extremely close.

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BUT when you turn the neck to actually mount it, the curves on the route in the back end of the neck socket prevent the Tele neck from sliding all the way to the back.

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It was still able to screw on but the screws were just a bit off, as well as will be the intonation.

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So now I will mod the body a little bit by filing or routing out the corners so the neck will slide all the way back flush. Also, since a Strat neck is curved at the end the pickguard is also cut that way. So I will file the corners on it as well so it will cover those little mouse ears on the body and be flush with the neck.

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More coming this weekend!

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:27 pm
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Ceri wrote:
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It was pretty cool of Mr C to offer to take time out from attending all those Medieval Reenactments he's so fond of ( :wink: ).

Now hold on. I want to be absolutely clear I am not involved in re-enactment.

Hehehe! I know and I totally believe you ... Sometimes my wicked sense of humour creeps on to the forum!

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(As it happens, I have in fact met rooms full of re-enactors and they are exceptionally nice, fun people with a healthy interest in ale. I just don't happen to be one of 'em.)

I too have a couple of friends who go to re-enactments. Like you, I found all the gear they had very interesting, especially some of the weaponry (their armour was no where near as cool as yours). They we're always trying to get me to go along as I've done a wee bit of training with Bokken and Bart Cham Do (My set in the pic below).

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Anyway, its not really my bag but they loved getting all dressed up and in character for it. One time they invited me to what I thought they said was an "Andy Summers" Party. You can imagine my surprise when I arrived very over dressed expecting to see a tribute band playing the Police's greatest hits.... :lol: (JK)

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I'm sure there will be other opportunities for you two to sort out a collaborative build...

Now your talking! :D

Pending thread of the year, me thinks! :D

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OK, Whet Mr C shared was right on! Here is the problem, even with these newer bodies. When I popped the neck on I saw that turned sideways all the holes line up perfectly and when mesured at that position the intonation will be extremely close.

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BUT when you turn the neck to actually mount it, the curves on the route in the back end of the neck socket prevent the Tele neck from sliding all the way to the back.

Dang, And it looked soooo close to fitting. Ah well, surgery it is.

Do your thang, Mr X!

Andy (apologies for the small hijack... Been one of those days :wink: )

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:38 pm
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apologies for the small hijack... Been one of those days :wink:

Hee-hee! It's been a surprise classic! :D

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:48 pm
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Hi-jackings always welcome as long as they are not agenda driven! My wife's cousin belongs to The Society for Creative Anachronism. They go all out with battles and building all their own armor and such. When i saw them last fall they were all like a bunch of little kids going out to play Dungeon and Dragons. Only problem was getting their armor on over top their big American, over 40, bellies.

But Mr. C, I love boating..... anything to do with water. Spent some hair times (no pun andy) on the south pacific on boats.....

More info coming up on the build soon!

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:23 pm
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Xhefri,
Glad to see you've escaped the mounds of frozen what-ever that was :) How close to the Cascades are you?
Interesting bit of carpentry, getting neck A to join body B, well done.

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:38 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
So now I will mod the body a little bit by filing or routing out the corners so the neck will slide all the way back flush. Also, since a Strat neck is curved at the end the pickguard is also cut that way. So I will file the corners on it as well so it will cover those little mouse ears on the body and be flush with the neck.


I'm not surprised that you have to do a little modifying to make that Tele neck fit onto a Strat. It should come out great.

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:49 am
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Just dropping by - great stuff guys - carry on - all aboard - Cheers Nutter


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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:58 am
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Thanks for the explanation Ceri!
Now that it's pointed out, it's obvious...always seems to be that way...

Xhefri...on routing out that pocket, what do you use for a tool? Dremel?

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