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Post subject: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS actu
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:11 pm
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i am hesitating between several models of 62 stratocaster reissue and would like some more infos.
i saw the 82-84 Fullertone sells for 3000 to 5000 $ more or less .
the 84-88 Corona , that seem to be as good , sell for 2000-3000 $.
i can't see what differences there are between those late Fullerton production guitars and the early Corona.
the guitar seems to be nearly the same apart for some little details maybe.
are there any tone differences between the red bobbin or gray bobbin pu's and the black ones found already in 1982' ?
or is it just the color and rarity ?

it seems the Fender JV strats (115 & 85) of that era (82-84) are very close to those fullerton / corona early production guitars , including the nitro finish and steel trem block, US pickups .

is there a particular difference between those MIA and MIJ guitars, that is influent on the tone (not just cosmetic) or do they sound and feel very close .
i don't know if they have the same sort of neck profile.
the Fullerton (and i suppose early corona) had only one neck profile for the 57 and the 62' strat from what i read but i think i read the JV ones had a slightly bigger neck profile , is it true ?

it seems the countour of the american vintage reissue guitars changed slightly from 1989 to 1998, when it was redesigned to be closer to the original body countour and the pu's were beveled, among other changes (like a slightly fatter c neck for teh 62' ri and a V shape neck for teh 57' ) .
is there any changes in the tone of the post 98' 57/62 pu's that makes them sound different than the 82-88 ones ?
i suppose the 82' pu's sound the same than the ones up to the late 80's but i'm not sure .

how would you compare all these 62 strat ri's if you should speak about their tone differences ?

i'm interested in the 98' and on American vintage reissue but i don't know which of these models would give me the tone and feel i look for.
i know it may be really different between two guitars of the same model but maybe there is one of these models that stands above the others.
i'm not interested in the hype for the Fullerton or the Fender JV but if they really sound better and closer to teh original pre cbs than the actual american vintage reissue, i might go for one of those.

i tried a jv strat unplugged recently but i felt closer to my CS 66 time machine strat (7,5 radius) for the tone , than to my originale 63' L serie strat.
they both had (JV and CS66) some sort of clean clear , sligtly scooped mids compared to the more raucous tone of the 63' L serie.
i found this more raucous / complex/ rich mids are more a characteristic of the 50's / 60's ones than on the more recent ones post 1980.

some actual 62 road worn i tried caught some of that raucous tone , i think i might have heard as well on some custom shop time machine but i haven't heard enough american vintage ones, JV and fullerton/ early corona to really know how the average one sounds.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:12 pm
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what would be the differences between a 82-83 Fullerton 62 strat ri and a 1988 one made in Corona ?
would the Fullerton sound better or would they generaly sound more or less in the same range of tones ?


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:03 pm
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nobody here that tried all these models of guitars, to shed a bit of light on those questions ?


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:49 am
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1982 to 1986 avri are pretty similar to custom shop guitars. 10 to 15 guitars were produced a day and 5 to 10 when the Corona shop opened. The small team of guitar builders raised by Dan Smith became the Fender Custom Shop around 1990, so I assume it's safe to say that those early reissues are some kind of "custom shop" masterbuilt guitars. For owning one, they are awesome guitars and if you can get a nice bargain, go for it as they won't be buyable for too long... I'm pretty sure they will be the next ones to go up in value since the pre-cbs era.

If you want to learn more, there are plenty of sites on the web like this one eventhough his prices are a tad high..

http://www.joesguitarshop.com/1986%2062 ... %20Red.htm

www.fenderreissue.com


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:01 pm
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similar to th ecustom shop guitars !
so, if they sound like that , that might not be what i'm looking for.
i thought they would sound closer to the original 60's ones than to the custom shop or AV ri's.
the only JV (poly) i tried unplugged, sounded more like my CS 66 time machine than to my 63 L serie or some other 60's ones i tried.
this afternoon, i went in what is maybe the best guitar shop in Paris /France.
they mostly have 50's, 60's and 70's guitars and 2 or 3 custom shop ones.
the guy has very few guitars but mostly excellent ones.
some 50's, 60's and a few early 70's stratocasters and 50's: 60's teles, some 60's SG 's and les paul and he had two original 59' burst with beautiful flametop as well as several Vintage Gibson semi hollow or hollow bodies electric and some 50's /60's gretsch.
this guy that has this shop for several decades and is more doing it as a hobby/ passion than because he needs the money, told me these JV and Fulletron reissues, didn't sound like the original 60's ones.
this guy plays very well guitar (including jazz bop, blues, pop, rock ....) and has had many guitars, so i suppose he might know what he talks about.
he seems to say good 70's strats sound better than those ri's.
i played a 70's maple neck black strato (among a few 60's ones i played as well) that was very responsive, a very good guitar and he told me one of his favourite strats is an early 70's one he showed me saying he would never sell it.
The 66 and 67 i tried were really great guitars and i'm not convinced the Fullerton ri's or JV 's sound as good and as vintage.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:29 pm
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Maybe in 10 or 15 years they will sound better. Don't forget that a pre-cbs 62 strat is almost 50 years old and the '82 reissue only 30...


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:03 pm
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i don't really belive in that !
late 50's les paul were already sounding killer when they were 6 to 10 years old, as did the SG's or strats and teles.
a good guitar is a good guitar , a bad guitar won't sound better with age i think.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:41 pm
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One thing I believe in is that a good player is a good player. Money can't buy talent and skills and even if you have a pre-cbs strat, the sound of a guitar is very subjective to the level of skills one has. I bet Mark Knopfler can make an Epiphone sound better than a lot of rich as* amateurs playing a '59 Les Paul. Early reissues are awesome guitars and no large production guitars in this world can compare straight out of the box.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:50 pm
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that's obvious a good player will sound better than a bad player but so what ?
i don't see the connection with my question !
OFF topic ! lol
also, small production doesn'tt mean it will sound good all the time !
I don't know exactly how they work at the Fender Custom Shop but i don't think they produce so much guitars but many don't sound that good compared to the original ones and i haven't heard one that was really having that vintage type of tone you can hear with the 60's guitars.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:50 pm
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I was referring to your guy who sells guitars, and told you his 70s strats were sounding better... The sound of an instrument is really subjective. I can tell you that every reissues from the Fullerton plant I played sounded better than every 70s 3-bolts neck, and bullet truss rod Strats I tried. What can you say about this? In other words, WHO'S ENOUGH GOOD AT PLAYING GUITAR TO TELL THAT HE DESERVES A 1954 STRAT AND NONE OTHERS? But I know Français can be really thick-headed, and if you don't wanna buy any of these reissues, there will be more available for me hehe. I can put it in french if your not getting what I'm saying.


In your firsts posts you said that a guitar doesn't get any better with years and aging, but you just said ( and I quote) "many don't sound that good compared to the original ones and i haven't heard one that was really having that vintage type of tone you can hear with the 60's guitars." What's a vintage tone other than aging? I think you just answered your own question. "a good guitar is a good guitar , a bad guitar won't sound better with age i think." I think there is a bit of a contradiction here... uh?

In this case, why do you even bother trying Reissues, go get another L-series. If you can't afford one, go get a Reissue from fullerton, this is the closest a guitar will ever get to pre-cbs era. People were crafting 10 guitars a day, they used to put efforts in the process and the QC was 100% good, unlike nowadays where several workers assemble an average of ?1000? guitars a day. Chances you'll get an early reissues lemon is about null.


You got your answer. If you're not happy with it, go buy a pre-cbs Strat, and I'll be 20k richer than you.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:15 am
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what's your goal answering me like that ?
beeing aggressive ?
is it frustration ?
well, don't write in my topic if you can't just share your point of view without beeing aggressive !
i'm thick headed !
so , what about you ?
not very productive !


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:19 am
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a vintage tone is simply the way the guitar was made + aging !
but aging doesn't make a guitar sound good if it's not a good guitar at first.
yes, that's right, i have never heard the tone i have with some 60's strats, with teh post 90 strat reissue, signature, custom shop time machine ... etc.
a few were not very far but many were really inferior.
do you think well known guitarist mostly play on old ones because they cost so much ?
do you think they are all deaf ?
i have never heard a fullertone ri or early corona, so i never said they don't sound good, i ask and write what i was told !
if you can' t understand the differeence ; sorry for you !
no time to loose with time wasters ...


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:39 am
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i have read the 82-84 Fender and Squier JV's as well as Fullerton ri's and early Corona's have a very small neck profile (a small C profile, not deep), smaller than the actual american vintage reissue 62 strat neck profile but i was told the neck were bigger in 86-88 (compared to teh 82 ones), is it true ?
a seller on ebay told me his 84 Fullerton reissue 62 strat , has a neck profile similar to the american vintage reissue 62 strat one; not smaller .
any infos to share about the strat 62 ri neck profile evolution from 82 to 88 (MIA & MIJ ) would be welcome


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:55 am
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Did anybody measure the resistance of those early 80's to late 80's vintage reissue pickups ?
i'd be very curious to know about thta.
i will measure the ones in that guitar.
i really wonder if there is a tone /resistance difference between the red bottom ones, teh gray ones and teh regular black ones.
i think it's just the bobbin color like for late 50's PAF's but i would like to be sure.
also, there was another pickup at that time , with red bobbin, that was called thX-1 or so and taht was wound much hotter i think, like 8 or 10 k.


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Post subject: Re: 82-84 Fullerton Strat 62 ri VS 85-88 Corona VS JV Ri VS
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:46 pm
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so, nobody else has had some experience with those strats ?
i bought a Fender JV ST62-115 to try one of them, it's a nice guitar but i have the feeling the pu's could be better compared to some original ones .
i compared to my original 63' L serie and 66' strats as well as with a 2006 custom shop time machine CS66 , rosewood fingerboard / 7,25 radius ).
the contours are not as accurate as the post 98' AV's and CS Time machine but the lutherie is good and the sound as well.
it stands up against the Custom shop time machine in term of tone.


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