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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:09 pm
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... let the talking in those discussions be done by one of these chaps (known for woolly arguments):

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I strongly advise to lighten up, chaps! 8)

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does the kind of dye used to colour the sock, or even the yarn hair change the voice you animate the puppet with?

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:08 am
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So. Let's have a look where we're up to:
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...Paranoia, playground name calling, national insults - yadda yadda. See previous page...

Uh-hu. Yawn.

But this; this is hilarious!
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You don't think calling someone "Mr" is a form of politeness?

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Maybe that's part of the problem? When you usually don't address someone as Mr., then singularly use Mr. in a response, it can be considered snide, as it's specific use dictates. :idea:

So THAT'S what it's all been about all these months! I called him Mr!

Bwaaaaaaaahahahaha!!!

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:40 am
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My Two Pennies..

Arguing is for fools, debating is for kings.

I don't even want to read too far into this, I cannot be bothered researching threads. But really- you can learn a lot from a man on how one takes light hearted comments or criticism. That is not a stab at anyone, that is a common fact. I have seen some other users who I will not name who take the smallest things out of context and turn it into criticism against their own self & think people are taking a cheap shot at them.

What I am saying, is who cares what people say or how they word things? I know for a fact that Ceri is a good, helpful man and I have never seen him get up anyones skin at all in my time here on this forum. I also know that he does not and never means to.

An old man once told me, "You'd be less worried about what other people thought, if you only knew how often they actually did" -and how right he was.

I personally think this argument is a waste of time. Time for Marmite.. oh lord, type 'Marmite' in the photobucket website and the first pic is Ceri's :lol: wow.. I didn't know there was a 'Black Label'... :shock: :P

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:03 am
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These discussions - maple v. rosewood, poly v. nitro, what kind of strings/body wood/neck wood/ trem set-up is best - are pointless. Is there anyone here or anywhere who can honestly claim that knowing the right answer to such a question made them a better musician? No, of course not. This type of speed shop/model train store blithering adds nothing to the music.

But because no one can demonstrate that any one answer is more right than another, these are hotbeds of logical fallacy: appeal to authority, argumentum verbosium, fallacy of composition, causal oversimplification, and of course the simple technique of claiming that if you don't agree with the poser, then you simply don't have the facility to understand the argument (or, "hear the difference").

So, okay, human beings are largely illogical. But to get heated and angry because somebody doesn't want to accept your illogical approach as dead fact.. well, that's when I know I'm in the presence of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about but can't stop talking.

on this very forum, I've been called a liar and a "hater" (WhateverTF that means) for expressing my opinion, derived from direct experience, that a BLues Jr. is a second rate amplifier and that spending a lot of time modding it is a waste, as the basic circuit is deficient. If someone asks on this forum if they should buy one, I'll tell them no, every time, and direct them elsewhere. Since this conflicts with the emotional stance of some members of this forum, they get frothy about it.

That's the online community for ya. But keep this in mind: thousands of posts don't make one an expert, and you haven't convinced a man just because you have silenced him.

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:29 am
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I agree that while there is no "correct" answer to questions such as these I for one enjoy reading others opinions. Has this made me a better player? Maybe or maybe not, but it does make me consider other points of view which may influence my future choices, and how I view things. Music is an obsession for me as I am sure it is for most of us here on this forum. I don't expect everyone to agree with my views, and quite frankly I am well aware that many here are far better musicians with much more experience than I have. I value their opinions, and I am glad they are willing to share them with the rest of us. Many times we take for granted things we think are common knowledge, but we all had to learn the basics at some point, and for that reason I feel these discussions are invaluable. However, I agree it would be nice if this could be accomplished without the bickering as it is not pleasant to read, and is a waste of time. I believe most of us are here to enjoy our common passion, and share our musical knowledge. The rest is just pure crap.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:11 pm
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It's my understanding that Fender's primer coat is poly so no matter what poly is poly and "nitro" is actually nitro on top of poly. So in essence, every finish is poly as far as tonal differences are concerned.

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:20 pm
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mthorn00 wrote:
It's my understanding that Fender's primer coat is poly so no matter what poly is poly and "nitro" is actually nitro on top of poly. So in essence, every finish is poly as far as tonal differences are concerned.
No actually if you read my previous post, there are some guitars that the dealer actually spec it with NO UNDERCOAT such as the wildwood guitar thinskin guitars.I believe also some custom shop finishes as well.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:47 pm
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I've seen those, they are seldom ordered as I understand it- as far as I know Wildwoods are the only people ordering them in bulk..

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:50 pm
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Blertles wrote:
I've seen those, they are seldom ordered as I understand it- as far as I know Wildwoods are the only people ordering them in bulk..
Daves Guitars in Wisconsin has them too, but they are a dealer special run though.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:32 pm
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Mdred85 wrote:
I understand the theory of nitro being a finish being mote conducive to delivering a more resonate tone just as maple fretboards should make for brighter tone. However can anyone say that they really can tell a difference in tone based on the finish? Educated me on this please.



Yes, I hear a difference. I can't explain why though. Why do some people hear music in colors, but others can't? Why do certain sounds make some people cringe, but not others? I don't know. Is it how the sound waves are heard at the eardrum or how it is interpreted within the brain that allows us to distinguish a difference? Maybe an audiologist or neurologist could shed some light on this topic.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:40 am
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speedfish wrote:
Yes, I hear a difference.

Through an amp speedfish ?
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Maybe an audiologist could shed some light on this topic.

These German car mechanics are getting way above their station IMO

Is this whole thread not just yet another "hankering after the good old days" , what was the criteria for making the change from nitro to poly in the first place, cosmetics..function..H&S in the workplace..or price ???


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:56 am
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ripitup555 wrote:
speedfish wrote:
Yes, I hear a difference.

Through an amp speedfish ?
speedfish wrote:
Maybe an audiologist could shed some light on this topic.

These German car mechanics are getting way above their station IMO

Is this whole thread not just yet another "hankering after the good old days" , what was the criteria for making the change from nitro to poly in the first place, cosmetics..function..H&S in the workplace..or price ???



Yes, with or without an amp, although amplification makes it more obvious..."German car mechanics" that's funny!


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:14 am
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speedfish wrote:
ripitup555 wrote:
speedfish wrote:
Yes, I hear a difference.

Through an amp speedfish ?
speedfish wrote:
Maybe an audiologist could shed some light on this topic.

These German car mechanics are getting way above their station IMO

Is this whole thread not just yet another "hankering after the good old days" , what was the criteria for making the change from nitro to poly in the first place, cosmetics..function..H&S in the workplace..or price ???



Yes, with or without an amp, although amplification makes it more obvious..."German car mechanics" that's funny!

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:06 pm
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I just like Nitro because it shows age and wear. no other reason.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:01 pm
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:D :D :lol:
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Vorsprung Polytechnic
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Way too funny.

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