Ah ok mate, so what did you find out? They must use a sealer of some sort. I always thought the urethane undercoat was to help the cellulose go on. Assuming that they'd had problems with getting it to adhere to the sealer.
I dunno though, I'm singularly rubbish with paint.

BTW I had a look at Wildwood 59's and think I now see why the Hotrod isn't being done in Sherwood green anymore. What a stunning guitar for the price. It's got me tempted.

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See! You just refuse to accept something that is extremely easy to hear. While strumming a guitar you can put your hand on the springs and feel them vibrate. While playing through an amp, you can mute the springs with a hand and hear the difference in sound. Very simple, easy to check and true.

Do you still refuse to believe that your Am Std and Am Dlx both have cast blocks? Yes, they do.

Do you still refuse to believe that a guitar body resonates, and that that resonance can be felt? Yes it does, we already proved that one. The strings can be felt vibrating through the body. And raps on the body can be heard through the pups.

And who is being fooled into buying a Strat with nitro finish? You don't have a choice of a new guitar, same model, with choice of nitro or with poly finish. So there is no direct comparison of one vs the other.

I stand by the comment about the springs adding a reverb sound, many others before me have discovered this very obvious fact.

You have an opinion, I have an opinion, what's wrong with that? No one is selling anything about finishes, you get what they put on unless you do your own.

Again, not you nor anyone else can tell what another person hears, and to dismiss it it foolish.

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Ok so when I play my Telecaster that has no springs does the reverb on my amp suffer for it. Also consider the choke transformer and drive valve of a valve amps reverb circuit. Or indeed the chip used to drive the reverb tank in a modern transistor amp. Where do all those little things that go to make up a reverb circuit sit in your Strat.

Can I by throwing a few trem springs in the back of my JCM make it have reverb?

I refuse to accept on sight anything you claim as fact.

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I am curious too Nik, I will say my strat came with the paint already sinking into the grain.I bought the white blonde version that is sold out at Wildwoods (I think Daves Guitars has 2 left). Alot of guitar for the money IMO. The build quality is awesome and the pickups are 50s custom shops( not to be confused with fat 50s).I believe they are the same ones on the NOS 56 CS. They are limited , but how limited is a closely held secret I guess.

Nevermind, another black hole.

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So, what have I been missing? Ooo look:

Wow, committed to memory! That's a man with a chip on his shoulder.

Shimmilou, old sport: dear oh dear, I'd hoped we'd got beyond all this. Nobody belittled you on that thread and most particularly not me. As I told you, politely, calmly, several times. To no avail. You wanted a fight and that was that. Turns out you still do.

We all know that in this imperfect medium we sometimes mis-transmit what we're trying to say and sometimes misinterpret what others are saying. Which is to be expected and nearly always soon put right. But to carry on insisting that you have been insulted when you are repeatedly assured in a statedly friendly tone that no such insult was intended: well that is just plain dumb.

Which is odd, because I have the strong notion that you are someone for whom it is very important indeed to be thought smart. That must be why you finish so many of your posts contemptuously with the "d'uh" icon, ; you are desperate to believe that everyone else is stupider than you.

And don't imagine we've missed all your arch comments about how some people can hear these crucial tonal differences and some can't. Unfortunately, those remarks may not be producing the effect in the reader that you suppose. They may be making people think less of you rather than more.

The truth is that you hear other people's words in your head as sneering and sarcastic because that is so often the tone in which you express yourself. You seem just not able to believe that we're not all here to scoff at our fellow Forum users.

Ah well.

Onward - C

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Yeah something doesn't add up does it? Considering that on all of my guitars bar one you can see paint sink at the body join. That must mean that the sealer hasn't done it's job, mustn't it?
Price point has nothing to do with it either. Out of a Customshop, Hotrod, newish Mexican Tele and a old Mexican Strat. The only one that doesn't show a join line is the newish Tele.
Wonder what the deal is? Do they in some way skimp on the sealer? Sand it off too much? Is it a bad body join and the sealer is sinking in afterwards, taking the paint with it?
In truth I suspect an imperfect body join. But I'll never know.
This warrants further investigation as you say!

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Ceri,

While I appreciate your sentiment, and concern for my self-image, I am certainly not reading things that aren't there. And it isn't a chip, but I see the same type of put downs in this thread that I saw in the thread about blocks. How can I have a chip about being right in that instance? Claims of snake-oil and being fooled are definitely jabs at those who claim differences in tone. Yet it turns out that the blocks were indeed cast, yet some still refuse to believe it. Snake oil means nothing else than to indicate that someone bought into a fraud, true? If that isn't calling the buyer stupid, then what is your view of using the term "snake oil"?

Example, isn't this a very clear message?:
"From the amp expert who thinks you can add reverb to a guitar from the trem springs? " I know that I use the "eye roll" icon to be clear. I don't try to be clever and disguise my sentiments. Do you have a spin for this and similar comments?

So, while we are at it, what did you mean when you said "let's see what shimmilou thinks of this, with his foundry experience", then going on about how we should all use this Japanese sword for block material to get the best tone?. Will you claim that it was a light hearted joke? At whose expense? How can you say that this isn't a jab? There was no other intent than to make fun of my "experience". It certainly had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of bridge blocks.

I have no problem at all admitting that I'm wrong sometimes, and have done so on this forum more than a few times. So, it has nothing to do with how I'm thought of, but my desire to counter the misconceptions and unknown, unquoted, non-existent laws of physics that are so often used as some kind of blanket to prove something, which they do not.

BTW, my memory isn't that good, I just bookmark the topics.

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There's no veiled contempt in that statement I made. I think it's quite clear.

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Both the CS Eric Clapton strat,and the CS Jeff Beck use poly for their finish. Does anyone care to voice their opinion as to why that is? I'm not trying to start any flame war here I am just curious to why you may think that is. Personally I have both finishes, and I am starting to prefer the poly as i like the look of a new guitar. I also love the look of an old instrument, but when I was a kid we asked for a discount if the guitar was less than perfect.

I know, just using your post as a clear example, and I had no doubt about it. I likewise, do the same. I shouldn't pick on you so.

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No. They aren't. They are differences of opinion. Which is allowed, and not an attack on your manhood. It is true that some people get very aggressive about this babyish stuff, and when that happens grown-ups laugh to themselves and walk away.



Well - revealingly - you say you have that thread bookmarked. I don't, but I've now reluctantly searched it out and taken another look. What I actually said in a reply to F Hopkins was; "I'm waiting to see if Mr Shimmilou with his foundry experience feels like biting on any of that...?"



Exactly.



At nobody's expense - that's the great thing about humour, it doesn't have to be pointed AT anyone. It is called GOOD humour. I have a feeling that is a concept you honestly have difficulty with, which explains a lot of this.



I can say that it wasn't a jab with the greatest ease because it wasn't. I don't come here to take jabs at fellow Forum users.

And no, you're right, it had nothing to do with bridge blocks. That was the whole point. It was at a period when there were particularly many idiotic and unpleasant arguments raging on the Forum, including a MIM vs MIA thread that droned on for a dozen pages or more with people yelling all kinds of insults at one another. Some people seem to enjoy that hostility: I don't. And then that bridge block thread was cooking up to be yet another such - by your own account you were feeling "jabbed" and got at. So in my frequent way I hijacked it off in a completely different direction to try and calm things down. Frank Hopkins spotted what I was doing easily enough; why couldn’t you?

It so happens that while I am no scientist or metallurgist I do have an odd interest from another area of my life in ancient steel making, as it presents all sorts of fascinating cultural and historical aspects. You said you know about steel forging, so my remark was not "making fun of your experience", but straightforwardly consulting it and inviting you to comment on what I'd said, from the point of view of someone who says he knows about those things. My remark meant exactly what the words said.

...Honestly, if there is one thing sillier than misreading subtext it is inferring subtext where none exists at all. And if there could be one thing sillier still it is fixating over it months later when several times on that thread and again on this one I have repeatedly told you that I'm not out to insult you, make fun of you or in any other way jab you.

Someone who goes on feeling insulted after all of that is someone who WANTS to feel insulted.

This is all just too stupid for words. Try this: read what I wrote on that thread again, but this time without your heavily sarcasm-tinted glasses on. Then at last you might find out what it means.

Good grief - C

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Good grief is right, but more like BS!

You seem to be clear in saying that my mental condition is the reason that I see things that aren't there. What a crock!

Maybe you really did not mean to be insulting, but saying that you weren't doesn't change the perception. Prefacing an insult with "no insult intended" doesn't change anything. Calling it a joke after the fact, also changes nothing.

No doubt about it, the statement; "I'm waiting to see if Mr Shimmilou with his foundry experience feels like biting on any of that...?", is self evident. To label it as a joke changes nothing.

Nikininja at least admitted that he meant to be insulting, as I pointed out by quoting him, as I had no doubt in that case either.

Rather than to trip over yourself to try and prove that you were joking, why not take it from me and several other posters that comments like that are insulting. I am not alone, or I could see your point that I have some issues which make me feel sorry for myself or some other such nonsense. That is not the case at all, and you should reread the threads and see if you can pick out some insulting sounding responses. Blocks, finishes, tone woods, all get the same insulting responses by several members, and it continues every time.

As we've discussed before, I stand by my description of what is meant by "snake oil", you might as well say that those who believe different are easily fooled, it is the exact same thing.

How about this as a joke, no insult intended, but in America, we've perfected the King's English, so maybe the Brits don't quite understand the English language well enough to recognize an insult when they see it. Haha, that is funny, right? No insult intended, just a joke. But frankly, the English have a reputation for being just like this, and maybe it is normal to you, I don't know. That can't possibly be insulting, note the qualifiers and the smiley.

I will say that normally you have a very pleasant demeanor, and are a valuable member of the forum. But, snide is still snide, no matter what label or qualifier or preface you put on it. And you aren't the only responder that I am talking about, you aren't professing to defend all comments are you?

I've said all that I can say, and I can't make you or anyone else take this seriously. So you can have the last word if there is anything else that you want to say, I'll bow out at this point.

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You don't think calling someone "Mr" is a form of politeness? Well if that's the case there's simply nothing anyone can do: I think this whole thread has suffered a bit from misunderstanding. To avoid disappointments in the future, I vote to steer clear of the dreaded "Nitro/Poly", "Maple/Rosewood", "MIA/MIM" threads and let the talking in those discussions be done by one of these chaps (known for woolly arguments):



I strongly advise to lighten up, chaps!

Nutter

Maybe that's part of the problem? When you usually don't address someone as Mr., then singularly use Mr. in a response, it can be considered snide, as it's specific use dictates.

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