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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:33 pm
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We weigh finishes round here?



Actually we do, and if my recollections are correct you started it!! :P :twisted:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:32 am
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Nitro is cooler to say. Therefore it sounds better.

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:35 am
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The next question then is....which color has the best tone???!!!?!?!?!!!!! :o


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:38 am
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Sherwood Green in my experience......the tone is heavenly,tight bass,full mids,and the highs are not piercing but glass like,but,let one little scratch or scuff happen and it removes a very small part of the sonic quality,since the green is gone,I think they bottled the air of 1954 in Leo's office and mixed it with the paint. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:01 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Sherwood Green in my experience......the tone is heavenly,tight bass,full mids,and the highs are not piercing but glass like,but,let one little scratch or scuff happen and it removes a very small part of the sonic quality,since the green is gone,I think they bottled the air of 1954 in Leo's office and mixed it with the paint. :mrgreen:


It all depends on what tone you're going for. Personally, I like a dark tone so I'm going with black as the best overall tone color. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:52 am
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I stripped the finish from a Strat and left it bare, as I like the natural wood grain look. It was beautiful, but sounded like a banjo....now I know why. I'm gonna go for the brown sound that everyone likes, but a brown finish won't look very nice IMO. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:59 am
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The next question then is....which color has the best tone???!!!?!?!?!!!!! :o


Red. That's easy. >_>

What particular shade of red? Whichever one has more red in it <_<

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:31 pm
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nikininja wrote:
We weigh finishes round here?



Actually we do, and if my recollections are correct you started it!! :P :twisted:


Hmmm... four pages of this and a mention of finish weighing, and no response from Ceri?

Nik you better stop by the man's house and see if he's still breathin'! :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:47 am
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Someone post a video on youtube, of a comparison to prove the theory that this is true... I mean I want the real deal. A guitar with sound clips, then stripped of it's poly finish and refinnished in ALL nitro- then played again. When someone can point out a blatant difference, then Ill be convinced. Until then, Fender are very clever for making the believers shell out good hard earned money. Genius really. Much like the idea for selling bottled water and making millions

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Do bowling alleys breathe? I know they suck, but I've never seen one breathe. Isn't bowling the sport for people that can't play cricket? Like pool is the game for people that can't play snooker?.


Darn it, I can't bowl. I can't play cricket either, and I play pool because I cant send a snooker ball into a pocket to save meself.. So Im going down to the bowling alley and Im going to put my ear to the ground and start listening.. I'll let you know of any trains coming :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:08 am
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nikininja wrote:
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budglo, unless you have one that is a pre '63 Strat, there is poly base coat on both finishes that you mentioned, so I can believe that there would be very little tone difference. Modern Strats are not the same as the all nitro finish of the originals. There is a difference in the tone of the original bodies finishes, with no poly underneath. The all nitro finish is part of the reason that the tone of those originals is so sweet. :idea:
Actually the guitar in question is a 59 thinskin avri.It has a nitro undercoat as well as the top coat.I believe the regular avri s are nitro over poly.



Nope Polyurethane undercoat on that, same as all modern Fender guitars.

Nitro V Poly = Utter tomfoolery. It's a visual difference and a way to part people with money.
Dug this one up and after doing some research discovered that the "thinskin " finish thru Wildwood Guitars doesnt have an undercoat at all.Not that you can tell the difference in tone, but it will wear faster.Carry on. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:48 am
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Budglo it does have a sealer coat though. It has to. Any painted bit of wood has to have some prep work. Now Fender will rarely tell you what is used. However in the old days Fender had a vat of Fullerplast (Fuller Obrien's Plastic) they used to dip the bodies into. Dunk, out, dry sand/scrape, done.

Here's a bit of a page on the finishing process of Fender guitars that dates back to way back when
http://www.caraguitars.com/fullerplast.asp

Note that UV cured Fender guitars are only mentioned with Polyester finishes. Why is that? Could it be because the polyester has to go on thick and you need a thick layer of paint to soak into unsealed wood?

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:10 am
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nikininja wrote:
We weigh finishes round here?

Actually we do, and if my recollections are correct you started it!! :P :twisted:

Hmmm... four pages of this and a mention of finish weighing, and no response from Ceri?

Nik you better stop by the man's house and see if he's still breathin'! :wink:

Hee-hee - only just! I'm still recovering from my near fatal laughing fit at it all.

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I think that this has to do with bowling alleys, in the same way that a hand made sword has to do with bridge blocks. :lol:

All these months later. My, that really got under your skin, didn't it...?

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:33 am
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The belittling given me in that post about blocks? Not so much got under my skin, just to remind you that I knew what I was talking about with the cast blocks, despite the names and other such nonsense used to debate the blocks construction. And, that maybe, despite the certainty to the contrary, just maybe, some are correct in this case about finishes also. Even after ME confirmed the cast block, there were still those that would not accept it. :? What was the comment? "Let's see what shimmilou with his foundry experience thinks about this" (sword pictures and story). Same thing here, people don't have a clue, so they seem to think that just because they can't hear any difference in finishes, that there must not be any difference. :roll:

So yes, this topic has to do with bowling alleys, in the same way that the previous thread about cast blocks had to do with swords. That is, it has absolutely nothing to do with bowling alleys, no comparison whatsoever. Again it sounds like belittling, just because of a difference of opinion, not cool.

Haven't seen any "proof" to the contrary, so opinions of the tone differences of finishes must be valid. <--- Is that how it works? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:36 am
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From the amp expert who thinks you can add reverb to a guitar from the trem springs? :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Nitro vs poly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:45 am
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nikininja wrote:
Budglo it does have a sealer coat though. It has to. Any painted bit of wood has to have some prep work. Now Fender will rarely tell you what is used. However in the old days Fender had a vat of Fullerplast (Fuller Obrien's Plastic) they used to dip the bodies into. Dunk, out, dry sand/scrape, done.

Here's a bit of a page on the finishing process of Fender guitars that dates back to way back when
http://www.caraguitars.com/fullerplast.asp

Note that UV cured Fender guitars are only mentioned with Polyester finishes. Why is that? Could it be because the polyester has to go on thick and you need a thick layer of paint to soak into unsealed wood?
Niki, I dont disagree with you .Your info is spot on.The reference I make is the thinskin guitars that are made to Wildwoods specifications only.These are special order guitars without a base coat.As far as production guitars , it was common to use a poly undercoat.


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