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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:09 am
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well some trems cant hold a cover. just practice now try to mute
your strings w/o touching the trem while playing.

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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:19 am
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Hmmm, No, it doesn't seem to snap on. I guess it's just the wrong part although it seems to fit the trem shape and size perfectly, very strange.

Try it again after you have strings on it. If it's the proper width for the bridge then the saddles will hold on to it.


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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:18 pm
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Thanks jpmist, that makes sense. I was given the cover with some other parts. if it fits, it fits. I just thought it looked pretty cool.
G'day waycool jr, I never really analyzed my playing style before, but the only time my palm touches the bridge is when I do a sort of vibrato thing. I should still be able to do this. The cover may even make it easier and more comfortable. I know plenty of these were removed over the years and not put back on. I'm just a sucker for gold parts. I can't wait to cover my naked body in the stuff, but I must earn a living.
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:59 pm
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how do you mute then?
please dont get me wrong, i like the covers and think they look cool as hell too.
the gold really looks sharp with the covers on too. it will be interesting to see what comes of this and what your opinion will be once its on too. trust me, im still trying to talk myself into a couple lol.

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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:14 pm
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[quote="way cool jr"]box

how do you mute then?

I guess I must strum/pick/mute with my hand closer to the neck. Whenever I hear terms like "palm muting", "hammer on/off", ''circular picking" etc etc, I find that most of this stuff comes naturally. After 33 years maybe I'm due for a guitar lesson :) .
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:15 am
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well after 33 yrs im sure you already have it all figured out then.
sorry if i offended, just trying to help from my own experiences.
there is a reason most of these were removed and not put back on. :)

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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:18 am
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No mate, didn't offend, not a bit. I seriously think I need to brush up on some musical theory. I'll sure let you know how the trem cover feels and appreciate all your input.

Anyway this is about a guitar build. I'd still be into guitars if I couldn't play at all, even if I had no arms :lol:

Hey don't you love it when your daily mail contains nothing but guitar parts (no bills)
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That's everything I need now,except the backplate......Ahh Mr Gearhead, you bring a smile to my face :)
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:09 am
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Boxbang wrote:
No mate, didn't offend, not a bit. I seriously think I need to brush up on some musical theory. It's just hard to separate that from the "bleeding obvious" stuff I've been doing for years naturally, which is why I usually give up on instructional books, tapes etc. I'll sure let you know how the trem cover feels and appreciate all your input.

Anyway this is about a guitar build. I'd still be into guitars if I couldn't play at all, even if I had no arms :lol:

Hey don't you love it when your daily mail contains nothing but guitar parts (no bills)
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That's everything I need now,except the backplate......Ahh Mr Gearhead, you bring a mile to my face :)

honestly, a guitar that nice, i would be on ebay looking at some of those custom
neck plates thats on there, the engraved ones. go look at what im talking about. i think they are in gold too.
hey we all have old habits that are hard to break i promise you.
ive been doing mine so long i dont realize whats right or whats actually bad habit. lol
yes back to the build thread.
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:56 am
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G'day, My Fender tortoiseshell pickguard is on it's way and the American vintage tremolo seems to be lost in the mail, so I will continue to work on the body. The result is already beyond my expectations, but I believe I can improve it.
Now would be a good time to talk about the finish. Lots of photos of me rubbing a guitar body would not be very exciting, but I will explain the steps, and give you my impressions along the way. I'll try to make it interesting.

Traditional French polishing involves the application of Shellac in very thin layers, patiently built up in figure 8 and tight circular motions. This process takes time, as does my method.

This is a reproduction 17th century, Louis VIV table............. ( 1660 Re-issue :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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That's the sort of shine I'm aiming for, but as pointed out previously, this kind of finish is easily damaged. King Louis often found that greasy,hot pizza boxes and beer cans used without coasters would damage the surface. I substitute the Shellac for Polyurethane to make it more durable.

Sanding- This is the very important first stage. You will be rewarded later for extra attention paid during this step. Traditionally, ground pummice stone was applied for hours. These days we have sandpaper and it takes quite some time. I use 600,800 and 1000 grit at this stage. I don't need to tell you how to use sandpaper, but my advice is - when you think it's time to move on to a finer grade, don't. Just keep going for an hour. It's worth it. You won't wear away the wood. By the time you're up to the 1000 grit, you will see a really nice satin sheen starting to appear.

"Shellacking"- I used household Polyurethane Estapol, thinned with Turpentine applied with a wad of non-fuzzy cloth, in a tight circular motion. This helps to penetrate deeply into the wood. It dries fairly quickly as you work (It's summer down here :D ). I did this 3-4 times, sanding in between with 1000 grit.
I then began to use an aerosol urethane. Mine was satin because it seems to contain more solids and helps with the filling in. A few fine applications of this with sanding between will further improve the finish. I rarely wait the recommended time to sand between coats, and I believe this actually helps to penetrate the surface. The 1000 grit pushes the "soft" lacquer into the microscopic fissures and imperfections and works like shellac would. It does clog the sandpaper a bit but it is manageable. You will know straight away if the lacquer is still too wet, just leave it a bit longer. One more coat and let it dry and cure properly. By now you will have a nice "shellacked surface, ready to start polishing and without a massive build-up of lacquer.

Polishing- From here I use 1200, 1500 and 2000 grit paper in the same tight circular motion. As with the other steps, I use the paper on a cork block for the flat areas as well as wrapped around a wad of cloth, or just on the fingertips. It's an instinctive process and you can gauge your progress by holding the job up to the light to see the reflection. The sandpaper can be lubricated with a little car polish, but you need a certain amount of resistance, you will get a sort of squeaky click as you polish.
When you're happy with the shine finish with car polish on a cloth. I guess it could be buffed at this stage, although I have not yet.

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At times I overpolished the finish in places and went to raw wood. This is annoying but not disasterous. More Poly can be applied to a small area and as with French polish the area can be blended in perfectly.

I have called this process "French polishing" but maybe it is just a ''thin Poly finish"
I don't want to get into a debate with any tradesmen. I work with various materials as a hobby. This is my first guitar build. If you think it's time consuming, so is watching TV.
Thanks again for your ongoing interest.


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Hi Mark,

Thanks for the above info. Very interesting method which judging by the your pic's has yielded a very nice finish indeed! 8)

I've used similar methods which resulted in a similar finish to yours with a poly varnish and spirit mix (applied with a waded cloth) on a couple of home made bodies. I Totally agree with you, the sanding prep is key to getting a decent finish.

Good stuff! Carry on! :D

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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:48 pm
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Thanks very much Andy. That means a lot coming from the builder of the "Big Hairy Srat''.
I was starting to think that folks thought my finish method was some kind of hoax, plenty of views but zero comments, just the howling wind and a few tumbleweeds.

Way cool jr, I like that neckplate idea and had a look. I'd probably go with something I designed myself- big bucks, but for now I have a plain gold one.

I've been looking at this new pickguard and it's quite beautiful. I haven't had much to do with tortoise guards until now, but the quality is superb. Genuine Fender of course.

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The top layer, at least, is Celluloid Acetate if I'm not mistaken, judging by the strong camphor smell when I peeled off the film.
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:29 pm
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you will have to search or ask on here, but one of those companies will actually let you design and they will do the work for like $5.00 more. well worth it seeing as how you can
come up with your own and your own serial number as well.
im gonna be looking into it too for one of mine that has gold hardware.

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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:08 am
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Maybe something like this ? Based on a Mexican gold coin. (done with Arc soft Photostudio)

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They'll need the design in B&W. I'll work on it, I'm not convinced about the quality of the plates though. They look a bit cheap, sort of anodized and not a very bright gold color. An etched Fender plate would be good, but you'd have to get it re-plated in gold.

All this gold looks great with the pickguard. Even the screws look right at home.

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The HSS set up from a Mexican standard has now been fitted. A really nice guitar is taking shape :D
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:53 am
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yeah something like that.

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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:16 am
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G'day, The bare body is now ready.

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A natural looking grainy Ash body with a beautiful, durable glossy finish. :)
exactly as I intended, let the build begin.
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Post subject: Re: Bare body MIM Build (contains nudity)
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:05 am
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Nice! 8)

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