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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:46 am
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Fender also has the American Select HSS strat out now in this color. I just bought one last saturday. Its a guitar center select model, so you wont find it on fenders website.

Its an all mahogany guitar in this color with Id say about "medium" transparency. You can see the grain well up close, but from a distance, it appears to be a solid color.

Very very nice. Of the gutars that Xhefri posted, its very much like the top two pics. Mine has the standard issue black pick guard and headstock.


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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:52 am
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The Crimson Red guitar you're talking about is a Deluxe Super Strat. It had "Super Fat-Super Strat" single-coil pickups and a Deluxe "Super Switching" system delivering 7 pickup combinations.

This model has been replaced by the Deluxe Player Stratocaster, which is the same guitar except it got three Fender Vintage-Noiseless pickups and a new switching system allowing up to 9 different tonal options to choose from.

The black Strat with the mirror pickguard looks much like an Iron Maiden Stratocaster in appearance with the only differences being a normal 2-point bridge, three DiMarzio stacked humbuckers and a rosewood fretboard.

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The white guitar is a JB Player Strat with a Kahler Spyder trem, a humbucker in the bridge and two hot single-coils in the neck/middle. It really needs a fresh set of strings.

One of the three knobs is missing.


THe JB Player is now history, the bridge I threw away as it was a nightmare, the neck has been relocated to a HSS setup but to a new body, it is now being completely refinished. The body has a swimming pool cavity below the bridge but will be routed out, filled and then will undergo a complete refinishing, to be used with a not yet purchased neck.
No missing knobs, that set-up was Carvin pups, Master Vol. Master Tone and coil split switch.

The black strat is gone,( still have the pickguard, had changed it to tortoise.) exchanged it for a CS 56 NOS, a far cry better, I actually disliked those DiMarzio's since they really were never designed for subtlety.

As for the red strat, it used to be a Players Deluxe, again I swapped pickguards, deleted the push/push switch and changed the pickups to Samarium Cobalt Noiseless and the tuners to Sperzel locking..

The little Mahogany guitar to the right that Iv'e had for 25 years and have no recollection as to where it came from, but it also is apart and being refinished.
Yes I'm working on 4 separate rebuilds, 2 stratopartsters, the little guit and a Precision bass

I plan on posting the first rebuild (start to finish) with pics very soon.

This was the black strat in it's final incarnation

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:31 pm
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Greg,

Actually the "American Select" is the guitar I saw at GC store in Jackson Mississippi .

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-American-Select-Stratocaster-HSS-Electric-Guitar-102807864-i1168160.gc

ON an earlier post someone did tell me, as you state, that this is a GC special.

Congratulations on your beautiful instrument!

I would love a Fender one, but at this point I cannot justify another guitar, so i am hoping my project mahogany guitar will come close. I have bought everything for it but the nitro finish materials and neck.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:37 pm
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Which configuration you've used for the DiMarzios? These babies looked pretty much to those used on the Billy Corgan signature hardtail Strat.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:16 pm
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After looking at the 3 color sunburst finishes I am thinking perhaps the area of overlap of the "Amber" and "Cherry" looks like a close match for "Crimson Transparent"

opinions anyone

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:48 pm
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chromeface wrote:
Which configuration you've used for the DiMarzios? These babies looked pretty much to those used on the Billy Corgan signature hardtail Strat.

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Yes I suspected it was sort of a Corgan lookalike but I bought it from a friend who had a second-hand guitar shop, bought the red strat there also, it was a great shop, really affordable prices but the economy made him decide to close it up.... Pity !!

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:15 pm
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Did you plan to replace the DiMarzios with a better-sounding pickup set? In a recent post you told us that the JB Player's pickups were a set of Carvins with matching electronics.

In fact you've used the same pickup and control layout found on the Bolt T.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:42 pm
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chromeface wrote:
Did you plan to replace the DiMarzios with a better-sounding pickup set? In a recent post you told us that the JB Player's pickups were a set of Carvins with matching electronics.

In fact you've used the same pickup and control layout found on the Bolt T.

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No... That strat was not ideal and last year I was about to order a Custom Shop Deluxe, but came across the NOS 56 for much less so the choice was really easy. I traded the black strat and a 94 Larrivee florentine cutaway for the CS 56.
Iv'e since then found out that my CS was owned by one of the Fender reps in my region, which explained why it was so pristine even though it is a 2001.

On the black strat the neck wasn't as nicely finished as is my MIM :?:
Sometimes it is just best to unload an uncompatible guitar, it would have become too expensive to redo the pups and whatever else.

The J.B. Player Iv'e had for over twenty years, it has at one time or other been a project guitar for various pick ups but I settled on the Carvin's long ago.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:52 pm
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Your CS 56 is finished in 2-tone sunburst as shown in your avatar.

If you decide to make your own EC "signature" Brownie, you can put a Clapton neck on it and throw a brand-new set of Vintage Noiseless pickups with the active mid-boost circuit. Also you can block the tremolo as well as you're not using the whammy bar after all.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:13 am
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chromeface wrote:
Your CS 56 is finished in 2-tone sunburst as shown in your avatar.

If you decide to make your own EC "signature" Brownie, you can put a Clapton neck on it and throw a brand-new set of Vintage Noiseless pickups with the active mid-boost circuit. Also you can block the tremolo as well as you're not using the whammy bar after all.

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I occasionally use the wangly bar, as far as changing Pups or anything else, that is out of the question.
It's a Custom Shop 56 New Old Stock and is now discontinued so it does have value.
I love the way it plays and sounds especially thru my Vintage Magnatone, it really is in need of no other modifications. It is like an original 56 and in that format you either like it or you don't but I would never buy a CS and then modify it, it negates the whole reason of buying a particular CS.
As far as the Clapton model it does not appeal to me at all, I'm actually not thrilled about playing a signature model of any kind mainly because at that point I would prefer to either order to my specs or build a Stratopartster, which is actually the current scenario.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:38 am
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This thread kind of lost its way but I am still interested in suggestions about translucent finshes, red blue green etc.

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:26 pm
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Hi oneal lane: when I suggested on the other thread that you do one about your trans red requirements I didn't know you'd already got this running! :D Sorry, I missed it before...

Anyhow, at that point I had an idea running round in my mind, but now I see Mr 53 got the same idea straight out the trap with the first reply on this thread:
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Since candy apple red is usually applied over a gold/silver flake base, it is somewhat transparent depending upon the number of applied coats. I would experiment with that then apply clear over the candy red. How many underlying coats of clear below the candy red and how many coats of clear over the candy is going to be up to you as you experiment/test on scrap alder or ash...

I think that's a great plan. But I do have something more to add. A very excellent Forum user we haven't seen around recently (though he's fine - I was chatting with him elsewhere just a couple of days ago) is Mr Twelvebar. And he ran a very excellent thread on finishing a Strat with Candy Apple Red. I strongly advise you to take a look at this, it is very useful as far as recipes and such are concerned:

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I hope 12B doesn't mind me posting one of his pictures. I found this particularly interesting, as a visual indication as to how dark you might want to make your spraying mixture is concerned:

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Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words... :D

Another thought. Spraying red over mahogany is going to give a significantly different result to ash or alder, due to the former's darker, more red appearance. So another visual point of reference might be Brian May's Red Special guitar. Can't find a nice clear photo of the original (though I'm sure there's one out there) but here is one of the multitude of replicas, this one now manufactured by Brian's own company set up for the purpose:

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The reason I raise this is because the red color is achieved in a different way. Brian tinted the timber with a colored stain, rather than coloring the lacquer. He then famously finished it with Rustin's Clear Plastic Coating. As it happens, that is still widely available - but I'm sure you'd prefer to use clear nitrocellulose from an aerosol, which will be fine.

If you were to use a waterbased stain (as again 53magnatone was suggesting) the advantage would be that you can dilute it as much as you wish and then simply wipe or spray on thin layer after layer till you have achieved the intensity of color you require. Then you simply clearcoat over the top. You will be delighted how the color will suddenly "pop" when the clear lacquer goes on.

This would be much easier to achieve in a home-build environment than tinted lacquer, unless you have a compressor and spray gun (maybe you do?).

An option, anyhow.

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:41 pm
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I didn't want to jump in but since someone else suggested stain.

I use leather dye (alcohol based stain / dye) a lot on wood for gunstocks. I then usually put a tung oil finish over that and it works fine. I have used poly finishes on stocks when specifically requested but don't like them.

I've never worked with nitro finishes so I have no idea howthesetypes of stains workunder that finish.

Whatever you do, go to a lumber store, buy some wood of the same species and close to same color and experiment on these.

One word of caution, even two pieces of lumber of the same species will take a stain differently so be careful there.

Like Ceri and Mega I'm thinking stain of some type with a clear coat over is most likely easier. However, a tinted top coat may be better to give the look you're after which is, i believe to appear as if the color were really deep.

Hard call.

I'd say get some mahogany boards, sand and shape them (smooth rounded surface) and experiment with a few different methods until you find one you like and that can be applied with the equipment you have (or are willing to buy).

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Post subject: Re: Fender "crimson red transparent"
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:56 pm
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Great ideas and I will have to ponder them futher. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread. I starting thinking about the middle band on the 3 color sunburst Fenders. The middle band is somewhat of a translucent red and I suppose its a combination of amber and cherry and clear over all of it as the last coat.

Does that make sense?

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:04 pm
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jeffnles1 wrote:
One word of caution, even two pieces of lumber of the same species will take a stain differently so be careful there.

That is seriously good advice.
oneal lane wrote:
I starting thinking about the middle band on the 3 color sunburst Fenders. The middle band is somewhat of a translucent red and I suppose its a combination of amber and cherry and clear over all of it as the last coat.

Or sort of like the outside of Fender's Cherry Burst?

http://www.fender.com/en-GB/support/col ... t&color=22

Love that Tobacco Burst, too.

Cheers - C

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