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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:15 am
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I have two strats.....a stock SRV and Warmoth build. Both have great sustain. Even at lower volume....


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:08 am
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:lol:

So, great is as good as it gets, eh?

:lol: :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:26 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
:lol:

So, great is as good as it gets, eh?

:lol: :roll:


a brass claw wont do anything to enhance sustain. That's the point..


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:43 pm
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Condemnation prior to investigation seems unwise to me. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:58 pm
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I think it has more to do with the mass of the claw rather than the metal used.
I don't believe that brass has superior resonance over steel.


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:08 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Condemnation prior to investigation seems unwise to me. :wink:


like fishing lures....More are to catch fisherman than to catch fish.

I just feel with a good, solid, properly set up Strat a brass claw will make no discernible difference. Like I said I have Strats with stock parts and the sustain is great. How much sustain do you need??....

May as well go with brass springs for the trem then too.....:)


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:08 pm
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mxvin wrote:
shimmilou wrote:
Condemnation prior to investigation seems unwise to me. :wink:


like fishing lures....More are to catch fisherman than to catch fish.

I just feel with a good, solid, properly set up Strat a brass claw will make no discernible difference. Like I said I have Strats with stock parts and the sustain is great. How much sustain do you need??....

May as well go with brass springs for the trem then too.....:)


I guess that IS the question, how much sustain do you need? Let's take it a step further, brass wound strings sitting on a brass nut and brass saddles mounted on a brass bridge with a brass block picked with a brass pick. Any one ever try that? I would think it would change the tone more than it would affect sustain. Just wondering :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:48 am
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What, no brass tuners? :roll: :lol:

Why does it have to be one extreme or the other with some people. Not everything is none or all. Accept the fact that there are things in-between. Some things make subtle differences, some things make more noticeable differences, some things make significant differences. All parts of a guitar work together to produce the sound, and each person has different hearing abilities and sensitivities. There are many different tastes, and some people should get over themselves and accept the possibility that they could be missing something. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:14 am
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shimmilou wrote:
What, no brass tuners? :roll: :lol:



Dang it, did I forget the tuners? :lol: and there they are in my avatar.

Hey I'm with you 100%. It's all about whatever floats your boat. I just think that a string change, which is often associated with such upgrades, is more likely to provide the "noticeable" difference I see in so many videos. I'm not saying certain upgrades won't provide the benefits claimed, but I'm just say in'. For instance, whenever I change my strings I feel like I just purchased a brand new guitar and I wanna play it all day long. :wink: :D

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:57 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
What, no brass tuners? :roll: :lol:

Why does it have to be one extreme or the other with some people. Not everything is none or all. Accept the fact that there are things in-between. Some things make subtle differences, some things make more noticeable differences, some things make significant differences. All parts of a guitar work together to produce the sound, and each person has different hearing abilities and sensitivities. There are many different tastes, and some people should get over themselves and accept the possibility that they could be missing something. :wink:

getting a brass claw IS extreme....
IMO it is totally unnecessary...
I accept there are small things that make difs for sure. I also believe in BS things that make little to no dif.
Go buy a brass claw and put in your Strat. Let us know how much better your sustain is...
Common sense has to be used at times. I came across kind of harsh and I apologize for that. But I get a little perturbed when people grasp at marketing rather than actual useful parts that WILL enhance your guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:40 pm
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No biggie, we all have our pet peeves. One of mine is when people dis something that they know absolutely nothing about. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:30 am
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shimmilou wrote:
No biggie, we all have our pet peeves. One of mine is when people dis something that they know absolutely nothing about. :wink:


touche'....

besides telling me I may be wrong what your opinion on a Brass claw and its effect on sustain??

I have never seen one but using common sense and basic knowledge of guitars tells me its a mod that will only drain your pocket


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:27 am
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Not necessarily wrong, you just haven't really given it serious consideration. Some people honestly can't tell a difference, but by no means does that prove that there is no difference, it simply means that those individuals don't notice a difference. Common sense doesn't necessarily always translate to physics, and has nothing at all to do with hearing abilities.

The trem springs vibrate when playing, more so as the amp is turned up, some of this vibration is from the strings through the bridge to the springs, and this vibration is picked up by the guitar pups and amplified by the amp (I have a video demonstrating this). The trem claw and screws will transfer some of this vibration to the body, and help sustain or dampen sustain, depending on the material used.

A guitar is a resonant system, and it makes perfect sense that any and all parts that are attached to it can affect it's resonance. Sure, a trem claw might only make a subtle difference, but it is all of the subtleties combined that make each guitar unique in sound. I have A/B'd different bridge blocks and notice the differences while others notice no difference at all. Many times it depends on how much of a change is made. Going from a Fender CS block to a Callaham would be much more subtle difference than going from a pot metal block to a Callaham. There are those that will tell you that a guitar's acoustic sound has nothing to do with the amplified sound....... :roll:

As I said, all of the changes add up to the total sound. The amp used makes a big difference also. A poor amp likely won't reproduce subtleties and nuances like a nicer amp can, a tube amp probably being better at it than a solid-state amp (nothing wrong with SS, just a different animal). Same with guitars. If your guitar has poor sound to begin with, some changes might not be as noticeable as they might be on a nicer guitar. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:37 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Not necessarily wrong, you just haven't really given it serious consideration. Some people honestly can't tell a difference, but by no means does that prove that there is no difference, it simply means that those individuals don't notice a difference. Common sense doesn't necessarily always translate to physics, and has nothing at all to do with hearing abilities.

The trem springs vibrate when playing, more so as the amp is turned up, some of this vibration is from the strings through the bridge to the springs, and this vibration is picked up by the guitar pups and amplified by the amp (I have a video demonstrating this). The trem claw and screws will transfer some of this vibration to the body, and help sustain or dampen sustain, depending on the material used.

A guitar is a resonant system, and it makes perfect sense that any and all parts that are attached to it can affect it's resonance. Sure, a trem claw might only make a subtle difference, but it is all of the subtleties combined that make each guitar unique in sound. I have A/B'd different bridge blocks and notice the differences while others notice no difference at all. Many times it depends on how much of a change is made. Going from a Fender CS block to a Callaham would be much more subtle difference than going from a pot metal block to a Callaham. There are those that will tell you that a guitar's acoustic sound has nothing to do with the amplified sound....... :roll:

As I said, all of the changes add up to the total sound. The amp used makes a big difference also. A poor amp likely won't reproduce subtleties and nuances like a nicer amp can, a tube amp probably being better at it than a solid-state amp (nothing wrong with SS, just a different animal). Same with guitars. If your guitar has poor sound to begin with, some changes might not be as noticeable as they might be on a nicer guitar. :idea:

thanks....


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Post subject: Re: Brass Spring Claw?
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:54 pm
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Don't any of you think that if Brass or any other material was better, that the whole industry would be using it? Every manufacturer would be all over anything in a second if it improved the product and they could actually demonstrate the improved difference.

There's one born every minute.


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