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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:46 am
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A guy I used to regularly jam with years ago got a fabulous sound from his Strat through and old Roland Jazz Chorus,that baby could sing. A Marshall Class 5 or Haze combo would be a great amp for a Strat as well as a Vox AC15 or 30 or any of their hybrid amps for that matter they all have great modelling capabilities.

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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:10 am
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The Jazz Chorus is a amp apart. One amp that completely banishes the solidstate/valve argument as the nonsense it is.
It's priced accordingly too. The RI's are around £850 each. The good news is, you get £1K's worth of amp.
http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Roland-JC-120-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp/84M
It would do that rock'n'roll sound to the extreme. Most of the first Strait's album was recorded using one.

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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:14 am
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nikininja wrote:
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The Jazz Chorus is a amp apart. One amp that completely banishes the solidstate/valve argument as the nonsense it is.


Im sorry nikinja but its not nonsense. The Jazz Chorus is just the exception to the rule. Just like every guitar is different, so is every amp and its true that a lot of Valve amps are very "limited" as far as diversity of sounds, but to state that solidstate amps are just as good as valve amps simply with that one example is taking it too far.

Im not saying solidstate amps dont have their use, they are affordable and sound "decent" at low volumes but for pure tone, dynamics, transparency and simply taking your playing to the next level, Valve amps cant be beat....


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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:41 am
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And you base that reasoning on what?
Extensive use of valve amplification or extensive use of solidstate amplification?

If solidstate, then was it cheap nonsense solidstate, or serious solidstate?

Why does solidstate fall short of valve amplification? Why does the Jazz Chorus exceed most valve amplification? As well as the Stockton, that pretty much wipes the floor with every valve amp I've heard for clean and mildly driven sounds. As well as mixing both drive and clean.
Is it that it's designed to a price amplification or just well designed amplification? Where most valve amplification is just designed to a price.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:01 am
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Ok now you are simply trolling, or arguing for the sake of argument. Ive used both solidstate and valve-amps and Im not talking out of my $@!. Currently Im using the Dual Terror. In combination with the strat I get Vox cleans out of that amp (and yes for a while Ive even owned the AC30CC) as well as every combination of overdrive from slight blues distortion to Iron Maiden like heavy drive, and this I can dial in on BOTH channels on one of the simplest amps ever made. (With Valves the simpler the circuit, the better the tone). Granted I cant do Metallica like chugging, but exchange the guitar for an EMG loaded beast and PRESTO.

This on an amp that is cheaper than both of those you mentioned. The best solidstate Ive ever played on is the Jazz Chorus, but it still falls a mile short of the VOXAC30 or even my Orange. My band mate plays on an oldschool LAB5 from Gibson. Another solidstate "wonder of the world". Again if you like pure cleans with limited dynamic range sure I guess its great. He uses it in combination with a POD6. And he will be the first to admit that it doesnt hold a candle to a good (likewise priced) Valve amp.


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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:15 am
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How was I trolling, was that not reasonable questioning?

So whats your take on the AC30? Why does it sound the way it does?

Whilst were getting into it, making disparaging comment about opinion with counter opinion.
I'm sorry but I'm convinced the tiny terror sounds like utter tripe. Played one when I bought my 1936 cab. Far too undefined a sound for any serious application. Pretty much how I find all orange drive sounds. Nothing but over cascaded buzz.
What about that AC30 eh, never mind the CC (I've a fair idea what CC stands for). What a unusable eq section. That really is bad.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:44 am
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Obviously the cab is as important as the guitar and the amp. The 1936 has two CelestionG12T75 spearkers, these speakers are nothing to write home about and they HATE Orange amps, which is probably the reason why the Tiny Terror sounded like crap to you. The Dual Terror is a 30Watt Class A amp, very similar to the Tiny Terrror except it has two channels and is double the power.

The VoxAC30 is the best amp Ive ever played on. Period. I had to ditch it though as it is very heavy (it is a big combo loaded with two Celestion Blue speakers) and difficult to transport, the Dual Terror sounds very similar (with the right cab). And its built like a toaster so I can shoulder it to band rehearsal where I keep a 4x12 1960BV cab, and at home I hook it up to a simple 1x12 V30 solution.

I think all these vintage voiced british amps (other than the new Marshall amps which IMO sound like $@!&) sound so good because of their very simple construction. Big overdimensioned transformers are also important. To hell with EQ options, if you really need it you can always get a good EQ pedal. Every single pot (or whatever you put in the signal chain) degrades the signal just a tiny bit. The more complex the circuit the more degradation you will get. There are amps that are very complex and still sound great, like Mesas for example. But they are built with the best componets and are priced accordingly...


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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:55 am
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You want a fat low end mate ?
You want a bang for the buck ?
You want tubes too I suppose ?

Then go for the ProJr3, I´ve got mine a few months ago and I can say that those EL84 tubes gives the strat that fat bass low end you might be chasing. And when I let the tone knob on 12 I can use almost all amp modelers from my pod hd on it sounding fantastic. I mostly use the Deluxe Reverb and Bassman preamps from the pod hd over my ProJr. It´s Awesome.


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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:51 am
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But Mesa have never put a half decent drive sound to anything.
Granted modern Marshall highgain sounds are lacking, it's nothing to do with the transformers being oversized though, you'll see no more oversized than the old Dagnal's and Drakes of the Plexi's and JTM's. It's cascaded preamps doing the harm.

How do Orange make a Class A amp thats 30watt's from 4 el84's that only deliver 6/7watts a piece in class A? Perhaps their telling the same lie Vox told.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:01 am
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Fine I admit it. You are right. You Win, I lose. Orange and Vox amps are the worst amps in the world. They have lied and cheated their way to the top of the amp throne. Also Im tonedeaf.


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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:14 am
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Top of the amp throne I strongly doubt. Particularly when they didn't even operate during the 80's. Doesn't sound like a succesfull business to me.
So what's the answer, how are they and vox getting 30watts out of 4 El84's in strict class A?
http://www.hifitubes.nl/weblog/wp-content/ei-el84.pdf

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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:36 am
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nikininja wrote:
What about that AC30 eh, never mind the CC (I've a fair idea what CC stands for).


Niki - I'm not stalking you, man, just wanted to let you know that last bit gave me a giggle!

You hating-on Tiny Terrors? Another time, man :wink:

Whilst I'm here -can I hazard a guess that you think Blackstar amps sound like CC, too?!


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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:44 am
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Top of the amp throne I strongly doubt. Particularly when they didn't even operate during the 80's. Doesn't sound like a succesfull business to me.
So what's the answer, how are they and vox getting 30watts out of 4 El84's in strict class A?
http://www.hifitubes.nl/weblog/wp-content/ei-el84.pdf


Im not talking commercially am I. But you already knew that. My guess is that they arent getting 30Watts out of it, but rather around 25Watts. Not that that has anything to do with how they sound does it? But hey we have proven that you are right on one thing at least, right? Im not taking anymore bait. We have gone offtopic far enough.


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Post subject: Re: Right amp for Strat.....Help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:46 pm
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You weren't talking comercialy, then what were you talking about with that wholly incorrect statement?
Oh and the AC30 does deliver nearer to 33watts. Reason being it's not strictly a class A amp. It's class A up to around 20 watts then shifts to class A/B. Just the same way Marshall always have. The main reason for the tonal difference is the complete lack of negative feedback in the circuit
Which goes to show how much misconception there is around that most lauded of class A amps, that isn't class A when it's driving at all.
The other thing about em, any player worth listening to, aside from Brian May, got away from the things first chance they got.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:46 pm
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