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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:17 am
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Guitarist1983 wrote:
Great solution, Shredd6. Looks good.

As far as the suggestion to controlling my hand--its most difficult to correct a problem when it occurs only once per gig. At 240 strums/minute for 60 minutes that's 14400 strums. 1 bad out of 14400 strums is hard to fix. :(


I have to ask because I'm more than a little curious...what sort of music are you playing where you need to strum 4 times a second for the whole gig??

I'm also asking because this may influence what is the best solution for you. Do you use the volume control much or are you a "leave it on full most of the time" player. Do you use the tone pots much/at all?

I think the best solution for YOU would be to swap out the control plate and switch to the control layout being suggested by Shredd6. Or if you never use the tone pots take it a step further and get rid of those completely and just have a single volume control well out of the way (like on the old Tom Delonge Strat).

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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:06 am
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All this talk about the vol knob and pickguard being a design flaw is kinda funny to me, I actually think it's a work of genius! Everything is laid out perfectly and can be easily removed and worked on or even swapped out quickly, try doing that in a guitar like a 335! :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:54 pm
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I play next to the bridge a lot when doing palm muting. I also like to put just part of the palm over the bridge, barely touching the strings, it gives that breathy tone, and is easiest done next to the bridge, I also do a bunch of rithmic muting with my palm too(I know how to spell rhythmic right, but the spelling is just ridiculous) I leave the volume on full most the time, I turn it down if i am gonna be doing heavy rithem stuff.(I am spelling some $@!& fonetikly today!) You can get some great sounds from these techniques and I love to use them, that's why the volume knob gets on my nerves. most other guitars have it a little more out of the way. But otherwise i like to hang out in between the middle and neck pickup. That's the sweet spot for me.


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:14 pm
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This thread is just getting wackier and wackier! :D

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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:57 pm
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Martian wrote:
This thread is just getting wackier and wackier! :D


R u saying that I use qcky techneeks?!?!?


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:28 pm
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This thread is just getting wackier and wackier! :D


R u saying that I use qcky techneeks?!?!?


No. Your techniques seem quite useful (if I'm interpreting your posts and this question correctly).

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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:05 pm
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did you just join this thread, or have you been following? I was just wondering what the wacky parts were?


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:22 am
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Here's a whacky video. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThsEouM91c

Watch how this kid goes nowhere near the upper strings with his palm muting (he does for a second in the beginning, but not for his demonstration) . There's a reason. With the high E and B, he has to position his fingers between the Vol and Tone. Not impossible, but a pain.

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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:59 am
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Sounds to me, by the tempo description (though 240bpm is too fast and doesn't equate to the number of strums you perform in a 2 hour set) your playing thrash or some other super fast style. especialy when you consider the palm muting aspect.
So I'd say it's definitely a technique issue. To be precise, little finger placement. That's undoubtedly whats contacting the volume control.

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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:25 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Sounds to me, by the tempo description (though 240bpm is too fast and doesn't equate to the number of strums you perform in a 2 hour set) your playing thrash or some other super fast style. especialy when you consider the palm muting aspect.
So I'd say it's definitely a technique issue. To be precise, little finger placement. That's undoubtedly whats contacting the volume control.


I just made up the 240bpm. I haven't actually calculated the total. But frankly, there are plenty of tunes all styles where the guitar consistently plays 8th note strums at 120 bpm and faster. I don't think 240 bpm is fast, more of a medium strum speed. In fact, I'm positive I don't hit the volume knob unless I'm cranking out a dance beat or funk tune at a much faster strum rate probably over 480 bpm. But i haven't measured that either.

By the way, I never mentioned palm muting. I believe you're combining two different situations from two different posters. :)


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:42 pm
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I ask you to divide those numbers by 60 to see how many strums a second you're talking about.

4 or 8 beats a second is way too fast for dance music.

Agoraphobic Nosebleed did 100,000bpm on a drum machine.

Anyway heres a audiable midway point that I get to be around 330bpm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_xwxrjoCw

Pretty speedy.

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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
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nikininja wrote:
especialy when you consider the palm muting aspect.
So I'd say it's definitely a technique issue. To be precise, little finger placement. That's undoubtedly whats contacting the volume control.


Yeah you can move your hand around in a weird position, but I'd rather be able to have a relaxed hand and just play/palm mute, and not worry about it. It's easier, just one less thing to think about.


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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:23 pm
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bcalvanese wrote:
The Strat has been around for well over fifty years, and is probably the most popular guitar on the planet, and In my opinion, the only design flaw is if someone alters it from it's original beautiful self.

Just sayin... :wink:


I agree :) but the strat is probably the most altered and hot rodded guitar on the face of the earth because of it's sheer simplicity.

I don't think Leo put that much thought into the pickguard and controls layout, it's a very basic design, even though i don't hit the volume knob, i have never liked it's placement.

Anything I've ever read about Leo Fender by anyone who worked with him said the man thought about everything he did in a way that would have driven most people crazy...in other words he thought in a way that he never left anything to guesswork.He put more thought into everything he did than most people could imagine.
He and his team put those controls close to a player's hands in a time when music was very different,he couldn't have forseen players shredding away and doing things on his guitar like Hendrix,when at the time the Strat was designed mainly for Country and Western Swing players.


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:49 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Papa-J wrote:
bcalvanese wrote:
The Strat has been around for well over fifty years, and is probably the most popular guitar on the planet, and In my opinion, the only design flaw is if someone alters it from it's original beautiful self.

Just sayin... :wink:


I agree :) but the strat is probably the most altered and hot rodded guitar on the face of the earth because of it's sheer simplicity.

I don't think Leo put that much thought into the pickguard and controls layout, it's a very basic design, even though i don't hit the volume knob, i have never liked it's placement.

Anything I've ever read about Leo Fender by anyone who worked with him said the man thought about everything he did in a way that would have driven most people crazy...in other words he thought in a way that he never left anything to guesswork.He put more thought into everything he did than most people could imagine.
He and his team put those controls close to a player's hands in a time when music was very different,he couldn't have forseen players shredding away and doing things on his guitar like Hendrix,when at the time the Strat was designed mainly for Country and Western Swing players.


I think I read somewhere that the Strat was designed totally around input from professional players. Every little conour, placement of the controls, etc...

Personally, I don't think shredding should even be factored in to the equasion, and shredders should not be allowed to play Strats...LOL

Music is about the quality of each note... not how many notes per second that can be played.

To me, shredding = repedative poo poo...:)


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Post subject: Re: Solution to bumping the volume knob by accident
Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:09 am
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bcalvanese wrote:

I think I read somewhere that the Strat was designed totally around input from professional players. Every little conour, placement of the controls, etc...

Personally, I don't think shredding should even be factored in to the equasion, and shredders should not be allowed to play Strats...LOL

Music is about the quality of each note... not how many notes per second that can be played.

To me, shredding = repedative poo poo...:)


JMHO


And yet the type of palm muting I'm referring to regarding myself is pertaining to Reggae music. :D

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