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Post subject: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micro ti
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:15 pm
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Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

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I would try the installation without the tilt assembly and see how close to correct your pitch angle is. You can always add a shim later if required.

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Post subject: Tips on removing neck tilt
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:40 pm
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Anyone know how to remove the neck tilt?

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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:42 pm
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darkstar44 wrote:
Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

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Frankly, I'd leave it.

Consider: Before the Micro Tilt system, all Fender necks had the shim. As virtually all Micro Tilt equipped guitars have the Micro Tilt system engaged to one degree or the other, this is prima facie verification that a small lift of the neck heel off the body continues to be appropriate. Consequently, it follows that the shim is still appropriate. YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on removing neck tilt
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:45 pm
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darkstar44 wrote:
Anyone know how to remove the neck tilt?

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Simply back out the allen screw in the neck tilt and remove it. The plate, etc. can be left alone as it will no longer be functional nor will it interfere with the neck/body joining.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on removing neck tilt
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Anyone know how to remove the neck tilt?

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Simply back out the allen screw in the neck tilt and remove it. The plate, etc. can be left alone as it will no longer be functional nor will it interfere with the neck/body joining.


Correct. IIRC, the plate actually rests within a recess in the "floor" of the neck pocket and doesn't contact the neck at all.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on removing neck tilt
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:17 pm
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darkstar44 wrote:
Anyone know how to remove the neck tilt?

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Simply back out the allen screw in the neck tilt and remove it. The plate, etc. can be left alone as it will no longer be functional nor will it interfere with the neck/body joining.


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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:07 pm
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Martian wrote:
darkstar44 wrote:
Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

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Frankly, I'd leave it.

Consider: Before the Micro Tilt system, all Fender necks had the shim. As virtually all Micro Tilt equipped guitars have the Micro Tilt system engaged to one degree or the other, this is prima facie verification that a small lift of the neck heel off the body continues to be appropriate. Consequently, it follows that the shim is still appropriate. YMMV.


My AVRI '57 doesn't have a shim under the neck. Does it suppose to have one? Would it help the setup on it if it had one? I apologize darkstar44 I'm not trying to hijack your thread or anything but i would like to know and Mr. Martian definately has the answer. :)

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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:36 pm
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bshane84 wrote:
Martian wrote:
darkstar44 wrote:
Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

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Frankly, I'd leave it.

Consider: Before the Micro Tilt system, all Fender necks had the shim. As virtually all Micro Tilt equipped guitars have the Micro Tilt system engaged to one degree or the other, this is prima facie verification that a small lift of the neck heel off the body continues to be appropriate. Consequently, it follows that the shim is still appropriate. YMMV.


My AVRI '57 doesn't have a shim under the neck. Does it suppose to have one? Would it help the setup on it if it had one? I apologize darkstar44 I'm not trying to hijack your thread or anything but i would like to know and Mr. Martian definately has the answer. :)


No it wouldn't help at all. It's a incorrect method of bodging round a problem caused by imperfect manufacture.
A properly seated neck has no need for one. All they cause is fret buzz or a unneccesarily high action to counteract the fret buzz on a guitar not needing a shim.

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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:37 pm
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nikininja wrote:
bshane84 wrote:
Martian wrote:
darkstar44 wrote:
Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

Thanks


Frankly, I'd leave it.

Consider: Before the Micro Tilt system, all Fender necks had the shim. As virtually all Micro Tilt equipped guitars have the Micro Tilt system engaged to one degree or the other, this is prima facie verification that a small lift of the neck heel off the body continues to be appropriate. Consequently, it follows that the shim is still appropriate. YMMV.


My AVRI '57 doesn't have a shim under the neck. Does it suppose to have one? Would it help the setup on it if it had one? I apologize darkstar44 I'm not trying to hijack your thread or anything but i would like to know and Mr. Martian definately has the answer. :)


No it wouldn't help at all. It's a incorrect method of bodging round a problem caused by imperfect manufacture.
A properly seated neck has no need for one. All they cause is fret buzz or a unneccesarily high action to counteract the fret buzz on a guitar not needing a shim.


Thanks for the info Nikininja.

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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
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Installing a Korean made neck onto an American Deluxe body, my question is what should I do about the shim? should I leave it in or remove it so the neck sits flush with the body?

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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:10 am
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bshane84 wrote:
My AVRI '57 doesn't have a shim under the neck. Does it suppose to have one? Would it help the setup on it if it had one? I apologize darkstar44 I'm not trying to hijack your thread or anything but i would like to know and Mr. Martian definately has the answer. :)


If yours doesn't have a shim and your guitar has never given you any problems, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I will say that this is an exception rather than the norm.

Now obviously, there are those who disagree with me but I stand by my statement that as is the norm, the necks should have a shim as if for nothing else, they prevent the headstock angle from rising due to extreme tightening of the neck plate and/or shrinkage of and in the neck/body joint.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on removing neck tilt
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Martian wrote:
darkstar44 wrote:
Anyone know how to remove the neck tilt?

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Simply back out the allen screw in the neck tilt and remove it. The plate, etc. can be left alone as it will no longer be functional nor will it interfere with the neck/body joining.


Correct. IIRC, the plate actually rests within a recess in the "floor" of the neck pocket and doesn't contact the neck at all.

Arjay


I put a CP 60s neck on an Am Series body and initially left the plate in, however a rattle developed which I traced to the plate which was loose in its recess and rattling against the neck. So I removed it.

The neck fits perfectly and I've had no issues with it whatsoever. Even the adjustments to the setup after fitting were minimal.


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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:21 pm
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The neck I took out has a metal plate where the micro tilt would hit, and the neck I'm putting in does not have a metal plate for the micro tilt to hit, would this make a difference?


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Post subject: Re: Installing neck without micro tilt onto a body with micr
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:42 pm
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darkstar44 wrote:
The neck I took out has a metal plate where the micro tilt would hit, and the neck I'm putting in does not have a metal plate for the micro tilt to hit, would this make a difference?


When you say, "hit", I presume you mean the micro tilt allen screw was protruding from the plate in the body and was making contact with the plate in the neck. If this be the case, yes. You would have to back off that allen screw to a neutral position and shim the neck heel to approximately how much that allen screw was protruding out of the body plate. Loosely speaking, it would typically be the thickness of two business cards. FYI: Those micro tilt allen screws tend to rattle unless they are engaged. In your particular situation, your best bet is to remove it entirely.

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