And I can find an equal number of people who love them, myself included.

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Right,

Martian Wiring

Its about half way down that page. Hope thats Ok Martian.

Andy

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Cool..

As ever, 2 points of view on what is a good sound and what isn't. We were asked for opinions, but really the enquirer should do it himself and see if he likes the result.

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I'm not very good with reading switch diagrams, particularly super switches. Without reading the first 21 pages of that thread (!), the context of the wiring diagram is lost on me. What problem is it attempting to solve or what capability is it attempting to provide?

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Wiring the capacitor in series, between the pickup and the tone pot negates the need for a treble bleed mod that doesn't work properly.
I.e you get a much more even tone control response and the loss of treble on the volume pot is incremental to the lowering of the pot. You don't lose it all at 8. As Adey said, volume on a guitar is wholly dependant on the high mids and treble. Hampering the losing of them defeats the purpose of the volume control.
The increased resistance of the pot on 10, behind the capacitor. Stops the pickups treble signal flowing to earth. A signal will always choose the path of least resistance. Lower the resistance, allow more treble to go to earth through the capacitor.. Rather than the traditional wiring where the signal flows to the pot anyway then goes through a inferior sounding split of the signal. Where the bass end is always alowed through to the 2nd lug of the pot and the treble is on more of a mix control to the 3rd (or is it 1st) lug.

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Fine and dandy by me.

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Spot on post mate.

Andy

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What he said hence, no problems are created which need to be solved.

A further example: Putting that resistor across an audio taper pot accentuates the erratic curves of the pot as the pot is dialed up or down. This guarantees noticeably erratic surges and ebbs in the volume along with the same thing going on with the treble again, as one dials the volume pot.

I've had spirited 'discussions' with players over the worth and appropriateness of this treble retention circuit for decades now. The bottom line is, there are those such as my goodly self who have stated their case as above. Conversely, there are those who feel they need this treble retention system, swear by it and maintain they experience no negative situation(s) such as stated above. I say, more power to them and just like those in my 'camp', it is the individual player's prerogative either way.

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Sorry missed this post!

Not that I know of. To get a fairly accurate representation of how the treble bleed mod worked for me, listen to any thing with a kill switch!

Andy

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Got it thanks.

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I can honestly say that I have never experienced this problem with my CTS audio taper pots.



Bingo!

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Ok, so let's scrap the whole idea of the treble bleed. The more I think about it, my only issue is the occasional time my bridge pickup sounds a little like an ice pick. And I'm using Texas Specials. So on to the other part of my question....

Changing the tone control from the mid to the bridge. Should I do that? I seldem use the middle pickup anyway. I've also heard about some kind of plate to use on the bridge as well. So what should I do there?

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Actually, you don't have to give up the tone control on the middle pickup. You can add one wire to the pickup selector switch where the subject tone pot will work for the middle AND the bridge pickup.

Putting that plate on the bottom of a pickup changes the pickup's magnetic field to where the mids and lows are increased with no appreciable affect on the highs. The pickup all around will then sound more like a Tele pickup.

If I were you, I'd go with adding the tone pot to your bridge pickup. YMMV.

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Geeez. Some people like the treble bleed, others don't. So based on the opinions of half a dozen people (hardly a representative sample) you decide to not do it without even knowing what it sounds like on your guitar.

Now you want to know if you should move the middle pickup tone control to the bridge (if I read that right). Some people are going to tell you to have a tone pot on the neck and bridge, leaving the middle open. Others will tell you to hook the middle and bridge together. Still others will tell you to hook the neck and bridge together and leave the middle on its own tone pot.

Then there is the question of what value cap to use? Have you decided on that? Now let's throw the option of the Greasbucket tone circuit into the mix.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but the point is, each of these configurations is a personal preference. You have already seen the wide variety of opinions on just one item (treble bleed) in this short time. Each one of the things you are asking about has pros and cons from a technical standpoint and proponents and dissidents from a playing standpoint. The same thing will happen with any question.

Instead of asking what everyone thinks, why don't you try a few of the different configurations yourself and see which one sounds best to you. Not what others think sounds best. All the changes are easy to do and easy to reverse as long as you know how to solder.

I have gone from no tone on the bridge to middle and bridge on the same tone pot, to neck and bridge on the same pot and middle on its own before I finally settled on neck and bridge tone pots with none on the middle. I have tried different cap values before settling on the Greasebucket for both tone controls.

Try the different configurations. Its fun and easy and you'll learn a lot about guitar electronics in the process.

Edit: I see Martian has already given you his suggestion. Try it. But try another configuration too. Play each for a while and then decide which sounds best to you.

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I changed the tone control to the bridge pickup for the same reason, need to tame the harshness of the bridge pickup. I like the sound of the middle pickup wide open, no tone control. Wiring the bottom tone control for both the bridge and middle pickup, both tone controls will be in the circuit in position 4 on the pickup selector switch, which I didn't care for, but others like it that way.

I have added a base plate to a couple of bridge pickups, Tex Mex and 57/62 RI. The plate makes the pickups sound more rich and full, a little beefier with more mids and lows, while maintaining plenty of treble and the great classic bridge sound. Definitely a nice improvement with the base plate. I have another plate ready to put on my Am Std next string change. I think that just about every type of pickup can benefit from a base plate. Just use silicon adhesive to attach, and solder the plate to the negative side of the pickup, easy.

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