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Post subject: problem with my american std, ts in neck/mid std bridge
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:54 pm
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ok as you know, i added texas specials neck and mid to my am std strat.
positions 5,4,3, sound great position 4 nasaly,adn very weak clean and extremely nasally overdriven, and position 1 sounds thinner but ok.
ok obviously the problem is in position 2, and well 1.
i removed the PG and inspected for cold solder, so i resoldered the ground wires to the pot.

im sure the answer will be get the bridge pickup, ts.

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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:22 pm
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Sounds like the bridge pickup is out of phase with the middle pickup.

Swap the wires from the pickup round. Black to switch and white to ground or visa versa.

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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:00 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Sounds like the bridge pickup is out of phase with the middle pickup.

Swap the wires from the pickup round. Black to switch and white to ground or visa versa.

can it go out of phase , the bridge wasn't out phase before.

Oh I'm screwed there. The ground wire is too short, barely
reaches the tone pot. I'm going off memory. Maybe wrong,
I'll have to check

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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:42 pm
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Is the middle pickup RWRP? Does it have a yellow wire? :idea:

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Post subject: strat
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:46 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Is the middle pickup RWRP? Does it have a yellow wire? :idea:


yes it does,
something was off with that pickup config,
i wasnt going to be happy, so i removed them from there and replaced them in the pickguard with the dimarzio paf.
now before you tell to try this and that :wink:

backtrack several mos back, i had issues with this one,
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the bridge sounded nasally overdriven so i was really turned off by it.

after researching the dimarzio website, realized the green wire and red were reversed. (by the way, nikininja gave me the idea to explore.)
the green and bare wire go to ground, the red is hot, and black & white to the
tone pot that has push pull option.
now sounds like a humbucker, push pull works.
however the position 2 bridge and middle pickup sound very nasally.
i guess i can live with that.
i put it on this one
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tomorrow ill take pics of it.

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:15 am
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I'm a big fan of not trimming pickup wires ever.

Yes you can be out of phase, whatever the pickup combination. If you're talking of the humbucker here, it sounds like you may not have the two connected wires joined properly. Or that the pickup is opposite magnet polarity to the singlecoil.
Not quite the same (because their all humbuckers) but I experienced the same when trying to mix a middle position vintage noiseless with SCN's or SCN's with a Dimarzio Fast track.

In the end I swapped the mid and neck pickups to limit the damage to the 4th position (neck and mid) which I hardly use. Add a midboost to it and roll the neck tone down to about 2, gets a decent Greeny approximation out of a strat. Win Win in my book. :lol:

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:08 am
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How do the inbetween positions get damaged?
Just curious.
So far I like the mod with the humbucker option.
It has a coil tap. Before I swapped the red and green wires
it was thin especially coiltapped, but very nasally.
Now messing with it last night, by the way it has a blender
pot for bridge and neck. But that one sounds out of phased.
For now I'll leave as is.

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:40 am
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The first thing to do is get the blender pot out of the circuit. Just wire it normally for now.
Once thats done check for the problem again. If it hasn't occured you know the problem is the matching between your bridge and neck pickups. So solve that (by replacing the neck pickup). The same is true for the mid pickup, but will be less noticable when that pickup is paired with the neck pickup.The problem occurs when the pickups are out of phase to each other. With 2 singles out of phase to each other, you get a almost humbucker effect of hum cancelling. With a single and humbucker out of phase, it sounds almost like you're cancelling out half the humbucker and the single coil.

You could also try reversing the wiring of the humbucker. Need to see the wiring schematic to sort that one out though.

Wire it standard first, get that right, then add your mods. It makes things a lot less complicated.

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:05 am
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If position #4 is thin, the PAF is out of phase with the middle pickup. Reversing the red and green wires of the DiMarzio will rectify this but then the DiMarzio will be out of phase with the neck pickup. Reversing the wires of the neck pickup will rectify this but then it will be out of phase with the middle pickup. "Round and round we go..."

Premising you plan on keeping the blender pot, your best bet at this point is to loose the HB mode in position #2. Replace the RW/RP middle pickup with the OEM bridge pickup. Now the remaining Strat pickups will be in phase with each other and all that is left is to bring the DiMarzio into phase with them. (IIRC, with only one coil working on the DiMarzio, that coil will then be partially HB when combined with either of the OEM pickups.)

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:31 am
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Thanks nik and Martian,
in order of preference ,
the humbucker is fine for now, after I reversed the red and
green, in the dimarzio website, has the red is hot, and
green and bare wire got to ground and black and white to the
push pull pot for coil tap.
It states if thin and weak reverse the green and red, however
it was thin and weak with G hot R and bare to ground.
I really like the coil tap option.
Now if the blender pot doesn't resolve, I can live with that.
Now position 2 middle and humbucker, I used that position
to get that hb effect, now with the hb itself, if it doesn't resolve
I can also live with that.
I do want to try to resolve it for the learning experience.

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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:11 am
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Just get all your pickups in phase to each other and you can add all the mod's you wish.
Follow Martians instructions and you'll do that.

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