My Classic Player 60's Stratocaster - Updated!

Martian · **Posted:** Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:14 pm

Congrats on a nice instrument at a nice price and for accomplishing all those measurements.

Glad to help on the neck rolling.

Merry Christmas!!!

bluesstrattone · **Joined:** Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 2265

Ceri wrote:

Andybighair wrote:

At the 12th fret it's about 3 1/4" or 19mm... And at the 1st fret it's 17mm

Hi Andy: thanks so much for that measuring.

Lummy, that's a skinny neck! That is thinner than any of my Fenders - for example, my 2005 MIA Strat is 20.9 mm at the first fret and 25.33 mm at the 12th (excluding the frets, obviously). I have an old Squier neck knocking around that is a touch slimmer than that: all my other Fenders are fatter.

The only necks I generally come across as thin as your CP60 are to be found on Ibanez shredder type guitars. How interesting.

I wonder how your measurements compare with the way necks were carved back in the days of genuine '60s guitars? If only someone had a 1964 Strat (say) that they could measure for us. ...Hey, Orvilleowner?

At least as far as ubergeeks are concerned your measurements have turned out surprisingly more fascinating than expected. Thank you!

Happy Christmas to you and Ms BigHair - C

interesting enough, however the feel does feel thicker than my am std, do you think that the 12 in radii has something to do with it, another way to measure, is by using measuring tape that seamstress would use. that might also explain the shallow routing for the heel.

adriandavidb · **Joined:** Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:17 am **Posts:** 293

bluesstrattone wrote:

Ceri wrote:

Andybighair wrote:

that might also explain the shallow routing for the heel.

Ah, someone who agrees with me!

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

Ceri wrote:

Andybighair wrote:

At the 12th fret it's about 3 1/4" or 19mm... And at the 1st fret it's 17mm

Hi Andy: thanks so much for that measuring.

The only necks I generally come across as thin as your CP60 are to be found on Ibanez shredder type guitars. How interesting.

I wonder how your measurements compare with the way necks were carved back in the days of genuine '60s guitars? If only someone had a 1964 Strat (say) that they could measure for us. ...Hey, Orvilleowner?

At least as far as ubergeeks are concerned your measurements have turned out surprisingly more fascinating than expected. Thank you!

Happy Christmas to you and Ms BigHair - C

Ceri, I am an Idiot!

Spot the mistakes :lol:

Andybighair wrote:

While I've got the neck off I might as well get my callipers out as size up the rather tasty CP60's neck.

At the heel its 13/16th" or 21mm

At the 12th fret it's about 3 1/4" or 19mm

And at the 1st fret it's 17mm

What I've written and what the pic's show don't match up! :lol:

Merry Christmas All!

Andy

ripitup555 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:53 am

Been on the ALE Andy ?

I blame johnny foreigner for bringing in that metrifithingumy, if they had everything their own way we would all be driving on the wrong side of the road, thats one way we can outwit them all whilst abroad , stick too your guns everyone stay on the left it's the only way we can give a bit of confusion in return :evil:

Merry Christmas

Carry on Wilson

Ceri · **Posted:** Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:24 am

Andybighair wrote:

Ceri, I am an Idiot!

Well, given that I was looking at the same photo so am I! Let's be idiots together - how cozy.

Yes, the correct measurements are much more what I'd have expected to see on a traditional Fender. After all, there would have been no need for Ibanez to invent their Wizard necks if Fender had already done it 20 years earlier... :lol:

(BTW: am I the only one who prefered the Forum's old style laughing emoticon? Ah well...)

ripitup555 wrote:

Been on the ALE Andy ?

Dunno about Andy, but I have! This:

Cheers (burp) - C

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

Hehehe!

All my other Strat necks are 26mm at the heal. Does this solve the hole Neck heal pocket issue we had earlier in he thread?

Anyway, I kind of regret putting tone control on the bridge pup.... Kinda miss the edge it had before... Still, totally reversible.

And Rip, yes, I have been drinking lots of Ale!

At 8.1% I had a very Merry Christmas! :lol:

(I too prefer the old style...)

Cheers!

Andy

tired_guitarist · **Posted:** Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:52 am

Ahh can't believe I missed this one, my fault for not paying enough attention I suppose? Very nice guitar Andy, and a great addition to the big hairy family

I was wondering though, how does the 12" radius compare to 9.5" ?

On the hunt for a new guitar myself so I wondered what u thought?

Cheers, Drew

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

tired_guitarist wrote:

Ahh can't believe I missed this one, my fault for not paying enough attention I suppose? Very nice guitar Andy, and a great addition to the big hairy family

I was wondering though, how does the 12" radius compare to 9.5" ?

On the hunt for a new guitar myself so I wondered what u thought?

Cheers, Drew

Hi Drew,

Bit late on this one....

The 12" radius fretboard is great! Very comfy to play. My Godin Exit 22 has one too and if I was going to make my own neck I'd go for a 12". If low action is your thing then IMO that's going to be easier to achieve on a 12" than a 9'5".

I recommend the CP60's mate. Possibly Fenders best spec'd, and best priced Strat on the market today. Worth popping down your local and having a biddle on one.

Cheers!

Andy

Ceri · **Posted:** Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:25 pm

Andybighair wrote:

...if I was going to make my own neck I'd go for a 12". If low action is your thing then IMO that's going to be easier to achieve on a 12" than a 9'5".

Or a 14" radius. Or a compound radius running from 12" near the nut to 14" in the middle up to 16" at the dusty end. Hmmm. Now that would be interesting...

Where's The Nutter got to recently? I wonder why I wonder that at this moment...?

Cheers - C

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

My Big Hairy Partscaster has a Stewmac 9.5" - 12" compound radius....

....And I like it!

Excellent quality and a good price too. But then Stewmac necks are made by Mighty Mite and despite a recent thread where MM got a proper bashing this ones a blinder!

Building a neck with a compound radius is way out of my league! Probably best I crack on with building a standard radius before I get too excited. :lol:

I hope to meet up with the Nutter very soon as I have a Fender Bassman Amp for him. looks a bit like this one...

Its a bit battered and not currently working so should be a nice little project for him seeing as his current abode is not guitar building friendly. At the very least it could make a nice cab for his Vox head? I know bugger all about amps so I'll just have to wait and see what he comes up with.

Andy

Ceri · **Posted:** Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:44 pm

Andybighair wrote:

I hope to meet up with the Nutter very soon...

Well, whatever you do, don't plant the idea of a compound radius in his mind. No sir, that wouldn't be a good idea at all.

Would it...?

Cheers - C

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

Ceri wrote:

Andybighair wrote:

I hope to meet up with the Nutter very soon...

Well, whatever you do, don't plant the idea of a compound radius in his mind. No sir, that wouldn't be a good idea at all.

Would it...?

Cheers - C

I'm sure you'd rise to the challenge! "If anyone can, Ceri can"

Andy

bshane84 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:17 pm

Nice sunburst on that one. Awesome find.

orvilleowner · **Posted:** Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:03 am

Ceri wrote:

I wonder how your measurements compare with the way necks were carved back in the days of genuine '60s guitars? If only someone had a 1964 Strat (say) that they could measure for us. ... Hey, Orvilleowner?

I do have some measurements written down somewhere ...

I would direct you to the Andre Duchossoir "Fender Strat" book which has some neck thickness measurements tabled. I remember that there was a large amount of variability in the values. Things were much more "hand made" back in those days ('50's and '60's), as we all know.

My 1964's neck isn't "stock" any more. The fretboard was "leveled" a bit at it's last refretting (to remove some wear divots and to give it a graduated radius -- slightly flatter in the higher frets).

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