Absolutely.

Once I've killed the strings, which judging by the amount of play time its getting won't be to much longer, I'll do what i do to all my guitars....

....Take it apart and put it back together again! I'll make sure it gets a proper measure and post lots of pics of it in bits!

Cheers!

Andy

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You know, the more that I look at it, it does seem as if the neck is setting higher in the neck pocket than other Strats. Comparing to my RW 60s, where I can barely see the top of the truss adjust screw, the CP 60s looks higher, with the adjust more accessible. Is the neck possibly thicker at the heel? Forgot to mention, congrats on the new Strat, it is a beauty!

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Thanks Shim!

I reckon that might have something to do with the different radius necks.

Your 60's RW has a 7.25" Radius where as the CP 60's has 12". Looking at your pic (which is very nice BTW) I don't reckon there's much in it. Though I may be wrong. I'll report back once its in bits!

Andy

Edit: Actually, on closer inspection of both our pics the truss rod nut is on mine is cut about 1mm into the underneath rosewood board. Again maybe this is due to the neck radius..... Interesting.

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Yes. All of that is interesting. (Well, to a sad nurd-geek, anyhow. Hello! )

So when you have that geet undressed would you mind measuring not only the depth of the neck pocket but the thickness of the neck from the back to the surface of the fingerboard at the 21st fret, please? If you have calibrated/digital calipers that would be the easiest way. Otherwise... well, you are very good at improvising!

Hey, while we're about it you might as well measure the front-to-back thickness of the neck at the first and 12th frets too. Nothing like some stats to keep us warm on the long winter's evenings.

Cheers - C

Great guitar Andy,I think that the Classic Players 60s Strat will be my next pick for a Strat as the "L Series" Strats were my favourite for feel and sound.The old style slotted Klusons and the vintage trem were the best ever put on a Strat IMHO- enjoy-I'm sure you will.

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Top row 3rd from left screw is much more towards the right on the pre CBS scratchplate. I'd guess half a inch worth.

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That makes perfect sense, the outer edges could actually be higher with a flatter radius, which would make the neck look like it was higher/thicker at the body, maybe? That is a thick slab of rosewood. The location of the truss rod adjust may be just for this particular neck for the CPs, it looks more accessible than on any other models that I've seen. More and more, it really seems like a very special neck, on a great Strat, that you have. Those early 60s type rosewood fret board necks are my favorites. Here is a shot of the Deluxe Players, which is also a 12 inch radius (but maple fret board), you can barely see the adjustment screw on it. Also, did you notice the headstock decal for the CP60s on the Fender product page? I wish!
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0141100300

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unbelievable how lively this forum can be! I am thrilled!

so long!

-Nutter

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Great addition to the herd Andy, can just about smell the shiny newness of it
nice price too

Yep, that would be why! I never realized before that there were two type of 11 hole strat pickguard! Thanks for that info.

As for neck pocket depth, my Am Std does seem to be 1/16" deeper than both my old '85 MIJ 72 reissue, and the CP 60. I assumed it was was just a Fender 'thing' , so enable rapid identificaion of origin of a 'body' without taking the neck off. I could be wrong on that, hang on I'll just check...



Yep! To measure as accurately as poss. I used a staight edge held against the neck plate, and then used a rule held with the base of the scale against the back of the neck, and read-off where the scale crossed the straight edge. The best method I could think of using at this time of night! Assuming the neck plate thickness is about the same- and it does look to be so:_

Am Std 1 6/32"
CP60s 1 8/32"

So the CP has the neck mounted 2/32" or 1/16" higher, therefore the pocket of the CP60s is shallower by the that amount also!

I was was first alerted to this my just looking at both guitars: in the playing position much more maple of the neck is visible between the base of the rosewood and the top of the scratchplate (looking just toward the headstock end of the neck PU, about ab inch forward of the neck PU), on the CP than on my Am Std!

I suppose the neck radius COULD have something to do with it, however that shouldn't affect the position of the flat BASE of the rosewood, where it joins the maple, unless the rosewood slab used before radius-ing is thicker on the Am Std?

Also the neck could be thicker, but would that affect things at the heel, where all should be standard??

Interesting questions, however, on my guitars at least, the CP 60s seems to have a thicker body at the point where the neck plate is located, measured from the back of the body to the bottom of the neck pocket, and this thcikness differnce seems to be aprox 1/16"!

Hi Adrian: I admit I'm slightly confused as to what you are measuring here - where does the neck plate come into it? But I strongly suspect that's just me being stupid.

What we're interested in here is the depth of the neck pocket. Frankly, it isn't possible to measure that absolutely accurately without taking the neck off, but Andy did a rough and ready measurement earlier on the thread like this:



So we're measuring from the floor of the pocket to a line across from the face of the guitar, which I've drawn on in red, above. Andy said his photo is deceptive and that his measurement is in fact 17 mm / 0.669".

That's the same measurement as I have found on all the Strats I've ever measured from all the different countries/factories. Which doesn't mean that it never changes, just that I haven't ever come across a variance.

So if the face of the fingerboard is higher above the front of the guitar on some than others it would mean the neck thickness must be varying instead. Actually, I've never come across that either, but...

Cheers - C

I think Mr AdrianDavid is measuring from the rear of the heel to the join of the neck and comparing those. Interesting differences, and potentialy very accurate, but are wholly dependant on the overall thickness of the body (and paint).


Feeling lazy, no taking necks off to measure pocket depths, though I suspect my hotrod's to be a shallower cut than the rest.

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Just a quick post...



Still not the best pic but mine is a tiny weeny bit under 17mm...

Andy

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Ha - thank you for that! Would you say (eyeballing that photo) that it is closer to 5/8" than either 16 or 17 mm? (16.6 mil, if I'm seeing it right.) That would make a certain sense with a company conspicuously based in a non-metric country...

Still. I guess none of this matters if those Mayans were right after all.


Cheers - C