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Post subject: Understanding a 5 Way Super Switch - A Guide for Ninjas
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:32 am
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Understanding a 5 Way Super Switch

I'm not to good at explaining this sort of thing but here goes...

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The 5 Way Super switch is has 4 poles, each consisting of 5 lugs and 1 common. The pic below shows a colour coded view as you would look at one from the back of a pickguard.

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As you can see the above is laid out just like a super switch except I've drawn the common lugs at a different angle to highlight them. To activate a pole you have to make sure that the relevant common is connected to the circuit (I'll show this later)

Now we know what the common lugs do and where they are, we need to know which lugs are active when switching through the 5 different positions

Here's what lugs are active in the 5 different position of the switch.

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Ok, so the next pic shows the wiring for a Standard Strat using a Super Switch. Note: All the common terminals are connected and go to the Volume pot

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I've left the tone controls off deliberately and labeled the lugs on the remaining pole 1-5.

Now if you understand the above you should be able to tell me which of the 5 remaining lugs you need to connect up to have Tone 1 for the Neck pup only and Tone 2 for the middle. Make sure the Bridge pup has no tone control, just like a Standard Strat.

Easy! :D

Hope this helps.

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:03 pm
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I'm still at a loss as to the point of the thing and the sense in having so many lugs that all do the same thing. I'd have to guess yellow 3&5 to connect the tone controls.

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:24 pm
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Oh well, I admit defeat. :(

I was hoping you would say Tone 1 to lug 1 and Tone 2 to lug 3. But to be fair, I'm pretty crap at explaining this sort of thing :lol:

BTW: I still have no idea how a valve works! Different strokes eh?

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I really like the color :0)


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Post subject: Re: Understanding a 5 Way Super Switch - A Guide for Ninjas
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:57 pm
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Oh Lord. Completely non-genius level people seem to be able to do this stuff (as well as the acknowledged geniuses/genii such as Andy and Martian). So OK, let's apply ourselves and try and work it all out.

Engage brain [nervous hysterical laughter breaking out already]

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Andybighair wrote:
Now we know what the common lugs do and where they are

[Weakly]...Errr... we do...?

[More reading. Trying really hard]
Andybighair wrote:
Now if you understand the above you should be able to tell me which of the 5 remaining lugs you need to connect up to have Tone 1 for the Neck pup only and Tone 2 for the middle. Make sure the Bridge pup has no tone control, just like a Standard Strat.

Let's take a desperate punt. Is it tone 1 connected to the first tag on the yellow block; tone 2 to the third tag?

It seems amazingly unlikely!

Anyhow. Good work, Mr GrandBarnet. I have just bookmarked this thread, cos if I don't get it yet I sure intend to suss it all out one day...

A big glass of something amber coloured to ya!

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:16 pm
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[Later] Oh. I've just read the thread again and notice you gave the answer in your second post.

Really observant, Ceri! :oops: :lol:

Still. I apparently got the answer right in my post, above. Now that is SERIOUSLY unlikley!!!

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:35 pm
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Well done Mr C!

And you all get 50 points for effort!

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Ok Andy, so just for clarity the 54321 is the same config on all coloured banks, if say you did want tone on the bridge and bridge/Middle you would connect one of the tone pots to lug 4.


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Andybighair wrote:
Well done Mr C! And you all get 50 points for effort!

Yeah - I need 'em! It was a lot of effort... :oops:

Anyway. Perhaps we're ready for your guide to the S1 switch now? I happen to know you're right on top of that one!

Neat diagrams, BTW. You have a talent for that stuff, don't you?

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Ah I just don't see the sense in the thing at all. What does it allow that a normal switch doesn't allow in a standard wiring scheme? Just seems a unneccesarily over complicated nonsense to me.

BTW I always thought that the neck position was 5, not 1.

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ripitup555 wrote:
Ok Andy, so just for clarity the 54321 is the same config on all coloured banks, if say you did want tone on the bridge and bridge/Middle you would connect one of the tone pots to lug 4.

Correct! :D

Looks like we have a new star pupil!

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Andybighair wrote:
Well done Mr C! And you all get 50 points for effort!

Yeah - I need 'em! It was a lot of effort... :oops:

Anyway. Perhaps we're ready for your guide to the S1 switch now? I happen to know you're right on top of that one!

Neat diagrams, BTW. You have a talent for that stuff, don't you?

Cheers - C

Why thank you!

Yep, S-1 Switch is up next but I'm on a different PC (mac) at the mo and i don't have access to the hard drive with my collection diagrams. That PC is awaiting the electronic version of a frontal lobotomy. I wonder if Martian will lend me his Medieval soldering iron....

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nikininja wrote:
Ah I just don't see the sense in the thing at all. What does it allow that a normal switch doesn't allow in a standard wiring scheme? Just seems a unneccesarily over complicated nonsense to me.

Ninj, my understanding is the switch permits all kinds of things like series/parallel, coil splits, bridge+neck connections on a Strat - and other such wizardry the ordinary switch doesn't get us.

After working my way through this thread so far... I'm still damned if I'd know how to do any of that. But that's the theory.

Well, that's what I've read in the past on this page, anyhow (halfway down):

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics ... ns#details

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[quote="nikininja"]Ah I just don't see the sense in the thing at all. What does it allow that a normal switch doesn't allow in a standard wiring scheme? Just seems a unneccesarily over complicated nonsense to me.

Wondered that myself, perhaps it's just a way of not having to many wires soldered to the one lug, never looked at the wiring on a strat switch, would I be right in assuming there are three wires soldered to one lug on a standard switch


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Ceri wrote:
nikininja wrote:
Ah I just don't see the sense in the thing at all. What does it allow that a normal switch doesn't allow in a standard wiring scheme? Just seems a unneccesarily over complicated nonsense to me.

Ninj, my understanding is the switch permits all kinds of things like series/parallel, coil splits, bridge+neck connections on a Strat - and other such wizardry the ordinary switch doesn't get us.

Exactly! Good post. :wink:
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I always thought that the neck position was 5, not 1.

I can never remember which way round they are! I'm sure Fender keep swapping them round.

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ripitup555 wrote:
Wondered that myself, perhaps it's just a way of not having to many wires soldered to the one lug, never looked at the wiring on a strat switch, would I be right in assuming there are three wires soldered to one lug on a standard switch


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Nope. Only two at most.

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