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I noticed MOST of the pictures got deleted. This is MY fault. I didn't know that they had to stay on Photobucket in order to show up on this site. I was deleting them as I was going along. As a 'newb', you'll have to excuse me on this one. I truly apologize.

Here's a shot of rolling the edges:

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Here's pictures of the completed rolled edges:

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Once again, don't let the glare fool you.

Here's a picture of my ancient fret file and the draftsman's stencil:

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The picture was taken at a bad angle. I assure you, the file is straight.

Again, sorry for my inexperience with this whole camera thing.

On to the good parts any way, the polishing!

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Alright Martian!! 8) :wink:


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yep they stay on Photobucket, the code you paste simply "triggers" the pic to be shown on the forum. And we believe you when you say the file is straight - looks bent 'cause the lense on the camera is curved.
Don't worry mate, you're doing great!

Very interesting pics and text, Martian! I'm kind of shocked the pro's use such simple yet effective methods - I was expecting sophisticated voodoo magic with a big portion of marketing-soundbites (though not from you personally, of course - just generally). Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it! Thanks for the lesson!

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The_Nutter wrote:
Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it!

Erm - that comment could be taken as a double-edged sword... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have the strongest inkling there's more skill going on here than Martian's (very good) photos are revealing. And a big bit of the skill is making it look easy. 8)

Anyhow. NICE!

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As previously stated, this fingerboard had minimal wear where all I really had to do was remove some chatter marks and restore the crown to say, 6 or 7 frets. This allows me to only need two abrasives to finish the job: 600 grit silicone carbide paper and 0000 steel wool.

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Yes, they are used but no one said they have to look pretty.

Notice behind the steel wool another shot of the rolled fingerboard edges.

After protecting the fingerboard (another picture I ignorantly deleted), I first rubbed all the frets top to bottom and then left to right with the steel wool, thus removing any concealed 'gritties' and as I had said earlier, there were no dents in them and so whatever chatter marks may have made it to the surface, this first annealing quickly got rid of 95% of them.

Next, moving left to right on each fret, I manually buffed them out with the 600 paper; then, top to bottom, then left to right again. This was the final annealing where any and all abrasions left on the surface are now gone, showing for all intents and purposes, brand new nicely crowned frets.

A word: Some luthiers prefer their fret crowns triangulated, some like them squared. I like them perfectly rounded coming to a peak at the very top only; again, still rounded. I feel this makes the fret last the longest and it causes the least amount of friction when your fingers are sliding among the frets, moving up and down on the fingerboard.

I then removed all the protective tape and hit the fingerboard with a premium, silicone and petroleum free polish.

Here are a series of pictures. I'll let you all decide.

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The_Nutter wrote:
yep they stay on Photobucket, the code you paste simply "triggers" the pic to be shown on the forum. And we believe you when you say the file is straight - looks bent 'cause the lense on the camera is curved.
Don't worry mate, you're doing great!

Very interesting pics and text, Martian! I'm kind of shocked the pro's use such simple yet effective methods - I was expecting sophisticated voodoo magic with a big portion of marketing-soundbites (though not from you personally, of course - just generally). Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it! Thanks for the lesson!

Cheers mate!

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I thank you and am always glad to debunk some more 'mystical, magical', "Infallible Web Dogma" which in part states that MIA necks are better than MIMs because they come with rolled edges, totally unattainable on MIMs. Well, here's absolute proof that in literally 30 seconds, all you MIM lovers can have rolled edges too! So now what's left? Is it the walnut vs. plastic truss rod insert or the extra fret which makes the price differential between the two necks' origins justified?

I learned the old fashioned way, the old fashioned system, using the old fashioned, tried and true tools; totally traditional, without all that ancillary stuff certain suppliers try to brainwash you that you MUST have as a matter of luthier life and death. Frankly, I couldn't use all that 'new fangled' stuff to begin with nor would I. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Did I ever mention that I still install frets the, "hammer and cut" way?

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Tomorrow, I'll continue with more of the build as I'm kind of wiped out for today.

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Ceri wrote:
The_Nutter wrote:
Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it!

Erm - that comment could be taken as a double-edged sword... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have the strongest inkling there's more skill going on here than Martian's (very good) photos are revealing. And a big bit of the skill is making it look easy. 8)

Anyhow. NICE!

Cheers - C


To Martian: Mate, I hope you know I did not mean that in a foul way - It was an observation of someone making a complicated matter understandeable and utiliseable for the common layman - to me the essence of true genius. So I hope you took it the way it was intended - as a compliment - and excuse my bad choice of words!

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PS: Ceri thanks for pointing that out - me had a blind eye on that one. Cheers! :)


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Martian wrote:
without all that ancillary stuff certain suppliers try to brainwash you that you MUST have as a matter of luthier life and death.


Exactly my mindset on it.

This makes up for missing the previous pages pictures.

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Stunning, utterly stunning.

Also very nice to know I'm not the only person who tapers over his fret edges to that degree. Mucho's respectio's.


Like I explained to my eldest headache. I was told at school I was a heathen abomination (catholic schoolboy), I couldn't wire a plug, I was tone deaf.
Those were the teachers trying to be kind.
What they didn't know is, most can do the donkey work, not all have the ideas though. Necessity is the mother of invention. Not consumerism or obedience.

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Ceri wrote:
The_Nutter wrote:
Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it!

Erm - that comment could be taken as a double-edged sword... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have the strongest inkling there's more skill going on here than Martian's (very good) photos are revealing. And a big bit of the skill is making it look easy. 8)

Anyhow. NICE!

Cheers - C


Ceri, I must be tired. I'm the first one to catch 'double-edged sword' comments. You have a point though!

I thank you for your compliment. People say I make it look easy. The truth is, like anything else, if you've done something hundreds of times (probably even more), it turns into a routine preciseness. As a matter of fact, it took me longer to type all this good stuff up and take pictures (such as they are/were) than it did to do the actual job.

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I'm looking at that fret file and thinking "that's gotta be better".

Surely it must be easier to govern that first pass with that. No holding a handle 4" away. Your initial force can be very even going at the fret first time.

Or am I just a knuckledragger with all force and no finesse. I suspect so.

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The_Nutter wrote:
Ceri wrote:
The_Nutter wrote:
Very cool that rolling your edges trick - anyone can do it!

Erm - that comment could be taken as a double-edged sword... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have the strongest inkling there's more skill going on here than Martian's (very good) photos are revealing. And a big bit of the skill is making it look easy. 8)

Anyhow. NICE!

Cheers - C


To Martian: Mate, I hope you know I did not mean that in a foul way - It was an observation of someone making a complicated matter understandeable and utiliseable for the common layman - to me the essence of true genius. So I hope you took it the way it was intended - as a compliment - and excuse my bad choice of words!

Best -

-Nutter

PS: Ceri thanks for pointing that out - me had a blind eye on that one. Cheers! :)


PLEASE don't give it a second thought, Never did I take the wrong way. And of course, I thank you for your compliment!!

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nikininja wrote:
I'm looking at that fret file and thinking "that's gotta be better".

Surely it must be easier to govern that first pass with that. No holding a handle 4" away. Your initial force can be very even going at the fret first time.

Or am I just a knuckledragger with all force and no finesse. I suspect so.


Niki, that had a handle once. I immediately broke the handle off and ground that end round within 10 minutes of receiving it. I even do that with my big fret files when new. And no, you're far from a knuckle dragger because I cannot work with files with the handles on them either for reasons such as your's. The way I feel about handles is that there is no precision or balance to be found with a clumsy 'counterweight'. So when it comes to files for meticulous tasks, we immediately have to 'break it in order to fix it.'

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Now I'm eyeing up my files and feeling nervous :? :?

Suppose I'll have to try it.

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Thanks Martian! Your instructions are very easy to follow and those frets look absolutely pristine! Wow! 8)
(Can't decide what's more attractive - that apple or the fretboard... Ahh, vitamins are overrated! :lol:)

Take care mate. I'm off to bed. Image

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PS: Just an idea: maybe your camera has a "makro-focus"-function that will be able to deal with those close-ups a bit better. These extra functions are usually well hidden (typical! :evil: ) but I find they help quite well once you know where they are and how to dial them in (again: :evil: some technology can make me sick). Just a thought.


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