It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:20 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:41 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:31 pm
Posts: 2638
Location: Pacific North West, USA
Martian wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
I ... pushed down, carefully, on the headstock, while the guitar is laying face up, and kick the butt end of the neck up out of the socket and then lift the whole neck out by then raising the headstock upward...


This is the way I've done it for over 40 years and have never had even close to a problem; and with NO Marmite assistance ever, mind you!

I just thought of something: Woudn't it be something if Fender made a guitar with a Marmite looking finish? But then again, I'd rather see a pepperoni pizza finish.

See what happens to my mind when I have nothing to do?
:roll:

I guess I am not alone in removing necks this way, but I sure would like to have Mr. C. explain a bit more as I totally respect his abilities. I have chipped the paint in the neck socket on two occasions trying to install a neck that was a tad too big. I learned the hard way: NEVER FORCE A NECK IN THE SOCKET!

I think Fender did come out with a Marmite Strat some years ago. It had limited production and was ONLY available in the UK! fender used Marmite as a wood filler and then a light clear coat over the top! Here is a picture of it:
Image

_________________
Xhefri's Guitars
www.xhefriguitars.com
Image


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:44 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:56 pm
Posts: 3941
Location: Great White North, EH!
[quote="Martian
My aim was to prevent such a postulation (the soap effect) gaining steam and being inducted into the infamous and irrevocable realm of "Infallible Web Dogma" where next, such doctrine will have players stop using soap for fear of whenever they play their guitars, they will compromise the finish.

In perspective, routine sweat and body oils should be feared infinitely more as they are outright caustic whereas controlled soap of marginal proportions surely is not.[/quote]

hehe i agree with this sentiment, I guess what i was getting at is, I don't like using stuff if I don't know what it's made of, and I know I get a skin reaction from some scented soaps so...

_________________
I'm not an expert, but I play one on the internet.

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:49 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:33 am
Posts: 8461
Location: Mars, the angry red planet.
Xhefri wrote:
Martian wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
I ... pushed down, carefully, on the headstock, while the guitar is laying face up, and kick the butt end of the neck up out of the socket and then lift the whole neck out by then raising the headstock upward...


This is the way I've done it for over 40 years and have never had even close to a problem; and with NO Marmite assistance ever, mind you!

I just thought of something: Woudn't it be something if Fender made a guitar with a Marmite looking finish? But then again, I'd rather see a pepperoni pizza finish.

See what happens to my mind when I have nothing to do?
:roll:

I guess I am not alone in removing necks this way, but I sure would like to have Mr. C. explain a bit more as I totally respect his abilities. I have chipped the paint in the neck socket on two occasions trying to install a neck that was a tad too big. I learned the hard way: NEVER FORCE A NECK IN THE SOCKET!

I think Fender did come out with a Marmite Strat some years ago. It had limited production and was ONLY available in the UK! fender used Marmite as a wood filler and then a light clear coat over the top! Here is a picture of it:
Image


That sure looks like it! Blah!! :shock:

_________________
You dig?


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:25 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:57 am
Posts: 13164
Location: Peckham: where the snow leopards roam
Xhefri wrote:
Martian wrote:
This is the way I've done it for over 40 years and have never had even close to a problem; and with NO Marmite assistance ever, mind you!

...I sure would like to have Mr. C. explain a bit more as I totally respect his abilities...

Gentlemen, I have the uncomfortable feeling you're not taking this seriously. It is very important, so let me explain it carefully once more.

For a sticky neck there is no better tool than the tyre iron, inserted firmly into the neck pocket from the back at the headstock end of the body. A sharp tap with a large hammer often helps. Or just dropping the whole thing on concrete or flinging it from an upstairs window. Whatever you do, never, never try and insert the tyre iron between the neck and the nearest pickup. That would just be so foolish - I'm sure you can see why.

Now while there are many excellent luthier uses for Marmite I have never advised it for neck removal with a tyre iron. The reasons against are easily illustrated:

Image

I think it's obvious how badly wrong that might go?

And while we're at it. Elsewhere Twelvebar asked about the the possibility of using Marmite as a grain filler. In principle I say: yes. However, a warning. Marmite is made under license in Canada where Twelvebar lives, but with horrific alterations to cater for the gentle north American palate. Here is a comparison between real Marmite on the left, and the Canadian variety on the right:

Image

And subjected to the crucial toast test:

Image

I think we need say little more about how inadequate the right-hand sample would be for grain filling? Twelvebar, if you plan to use Marmite for prepping a guitar body please source the genuine article. I'm here to help if necessary.

And in case you think I'm making it up about Canadian Marmite, here is the shocking evidence:

http://superhighwayman.com/2010/03/30/t ... n-marmite/

Scary, huh? (Though the only scary bit might be that I actually bothered to look that up... :D :roll: :D )

Cheers - C

PS: do we think it's a bit of a slow day on the Forum...? :lol:


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:24 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:52 pm
Posts: 2005
And here I've been trusting you gentlemen for nearly two years and so started searching for Marmite on the "Guitar Center" and "Musicians Friends" web pages and turning up nothing, then did a GOOGLE search to find I've been made the Fool!

Nice way to treat a Forum Member.
The shame I carry...
-T





PS. How can you eat that stuff?? I'd rather eat the soap mentioned above.

From Wikipedia ( who I now trust more than certain Forum Members )...
"Marmite (pronounced /ˈmɑrmaɪt/ MAR-myet) is the name given to two similar food spreads: the original British version, first produced in the United Kingdom and later South Africa, and a version produced in New Zealand. Marmite is made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing.

The British version of the product is a sticky, dark brown paste with a distinctive, powerful flavour, which is extremely salty and savoury with umami qualities, somewhat comparable to soy sauce. This distinctive taste is reflected in the British company's marketing slogan: "Love it or hate it." It is similar to the Australian Vegemite and Swiss Cenovis."

And what the devil is "umami"?
No! I don't want to know..especially from certain Forum Members.

Trust no one.

_________________
-T

"You can't spend what you ain't got, you can't lose what you ain't never had" ~ McKinley Morganfield


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:27 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:56 pm
Posts: 3941
Location: Great White North, EH!
Ceri wrote:
Scary, huh? (Though the only scary bit might be that I actually bothered to look that up... :D :roll: :D )


The scary bit is that i subsequently read it. :shock: :shock:

Good to know, I was going to buy some, to try out, so now I'll buy some at the local supermarket, and then a jar of it from this specialty store (luckily,) only a few blocks from my house that should have the imported version (they do for a bunch of other European stuff,) and do a comparison.

on a serious note, the only 'food-stuff' I have used for grain filling has been egg whites. long ago I was helping one of my Dad's uncles when he was restoring some old furniture, he said it was how you did it in the old days.

_________________
I'm not an expert, but I play one on the internet.

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:58 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:33 am
Posts: 8461
Location: Mars, the angry red planet.
tyronne wrote:
And here I've been trusting you gentlemen for nearly two years and so started searching for Marmite on the "Guitar Center" and "Musicians Friends" web pages and turning up nothing, then did a GOOGLE search to find I've been made the Fool!

Nice way to treat a Forum Member.
The shame I carry...
-T





PS. How can you eat that stuff?? I'd rather eat the soap mentioned above.

From Wikipedia ( who I now trust more than certain Forum Members )...
"Marmite (pronounced /ˈmɑrmaɪt/ MAR-myet) is the name given to two similar food spreads: the original British version, first produced in the United Kingdom and later South Africa, and a version produced in New Zealand. Marmite is made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing.

The British version of the product is a sticky, dark brown paste with a distinctive, powerful flavour, which is extremely salty and savoury with umami qualities, somewhat comparable to soy sauce. This distinctive taste is reflected in the British company's marketing slogan: "Love it or hate it." It is similar to the Australian Vegemite and Swiss Cenovis."

And what the devil is "umami"?
No! I don't want to know..especially from certain Forum Members.

Trust no one.


Man, all of a sudden, I'm getting hungry!

See, this is why even though most threads start with one topic, they'll surely wind up on another (albeit, usually unrelated) one. It's like a mysterious journey where you'll never know where you're going until you get there where the trip itself is part and parcel of the journey.

(What the heck am I talking about?)

_________________
You dig?


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:59 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:33 am
Posts: 8461
Location: Mars, the angry red planet.
Twelvebar wrote:
Ceri wrote:
Scary, huh? (Though the only scary bit might be that I actually bothered to look that up... :D :roll: :D )


The scary bit is that i subsequently read it. :shock: :shock:

Good to know, I was going to buy some, to try out, so now I'll buy some at the local supermarket, and then a jar of it from this specialty store (luckily,) only a few blocks from my house that should have the imported version (they do for a bunch of other European stuff,) and do a comparison.

on a serious note, the only 'food-stuff' I have used for grain filling has been egg whites. long ago I was helping one of my Dad's uncles when he was restoring some old furniture, he said it was how you did it in the old days.


And that's no yoke! :lol:

_________________
You dig?


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:13 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:31 pm
Posts: 2638
Location: Pacific North West, USA
We have had two perfectly good threads hijacked by Marmite....... :wink:

Oh, Mr. C. that Canadian Marmite wanabe is a very poor imitation, to say the least.... If I must, it is the real McCoy for me.....

Now as far as lifting neck....I think you is becom'in a red neck....

_________________
Xhefri's Guitars
www.xhefriguitars.com
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:21 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Umami is a area of the tongue's taste buds that is stimulated by a certain taste. Basically the taste of things is made up from a combination of sweet, salt, sour, bitter and umami.

Image

It's found in parmesan, Marmite and mushrooms. It's what gives mushrooms their distinctive meaty taste.

Info courtesy of my beautiful darling wife. Who's cooking skills are responsible for my ever expanding girth.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:31 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:02 am
Posts: 488
Marmite is ok. Vegemite is for true taste lovers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-878Nc4gzPA
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:34 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:31 pm
Posts: 2638
Location: Pacific North West, USA
nikininja wrote:
Info courtesy of my beautiful darling wife. Who's cooking skills are responsible for my ever expanding girth.

So what's for dinner Niki????? 8)

_________________
Xhefri's Guitars
www.xhefriguitars.com
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:58 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
WeaponX

Sadly tonight I did not dine at home. Pleasantly I dined with my dear friend and old bands ex roadie on barbecued rabbit kebabs, rabbit burgers and crayfish.

What we really need on this thread is ZZDoc's input. He'd have this umami business and the mystical workings of the tastebuds, cleared up in no time at all.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:50 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:31 pm
Posts: 2638
Location: Pacific North West, USA
nikininja wrote:
WeaponX

Sadly tonight I did not dine at home. Pleasantly I dined with my dear friend and old bands ex roadie on barbecued rabbit kebabs, rabbit burgers and crayfish.

What we really need on this thread is ZZDoc's input. He'd have this umami business and the mystical workings of the tastebuds, cleared up in no time at all.

Your joking about the rabbit???? Umm??

I have not seen ZZDoc on for awhile. Wonder where he is???

_________________
Xhefri's Guitars
www.xhefriguitars.com
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:09 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Doc is the busiest person I've ever known.
Kind of reminds me of a manic Willy Wonka (the good Gene Wilder version of course), in a surgeons gown, with a dremel in hand. Racing around hospital corridoors, arms flailing wildly before him.
(I hope he knows that is my poor attempt at humour written with no malice and just intended to draw him out).


No, eat rabbit. Though I suspect theres a species difference across the water.
Very much like chicken, and they are free. Just poke the air rifle out the window and ppffft, instant fresh, free range meat. Just make sure you skin em outside, cos they are covered in fleas, ticks and all sorts.

Now the real stomach churner.
Last time it was pigeon kebabs. Wood pigeon, not the ferral grey flying rats.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: John Sims and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: