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Post subject: Good place to get a loaded pickguard
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:33 pm
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I have a fender with SCN noiseless pickups, but for the latest band i joined its just not working.

I dont want to completely rewire the guitar, and just slapping a humbucker in there wont work as it would be completely mismatched to the other singlecoil pickups.

To this end, i want to get a fully loaded pickguard with a HSS configuration. Im not a fan of fender humbuckers though so i want to get one with some Duncans, perhaps a nice EVH pickup in the bridge, and whatever Single coils go wtih that. Im useless at wiring so i need to get it fully loaded.

Anyone advise a "good" place that i can obtain this?

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Kinman sells pickup sets with a solderless wiring harness that comes comlpete with everything except the pickguard itself. It's just a matter of bolting the gear to the scratch-plate and screwing the plate back onto the guitar. Unfortunately I do not believe they have any side-by-side humbuckers. They sell the stacked kind of buckers. The K9 wiring harness is trés cool.

http://www.kinman.com/index.php

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Post subject: Re: Good place to get a loaded pickguard
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:03 pm
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I have a fender with SCN noiseless pickups, but for the latest band i joined its just not working.

I dont want to completely rewire the guitar, and just slapping a humbucker in there wont work as it would be completely mismatched to the other singlecoil pickups.

To this end, i want to get a fully loaded pickguard with a HSS configuration. Im not a fan of fender humbuckers though so i want to get one with some Duncans, perhaps a nice EVH pickup in the bridge, and whatever Single coils go wtih that. Im useless at wiring so i need to get it fully loaded.

Anyone advise a "good" place that i can obtain this?

Thanks.


If you'd be interested in a fully loaded pickguard, complete with blender pot and the Seymour Duncan "Everything Axe" pickup combo and you live in the US, shoot me an e-mail. Here's a description of the Everything Axe combo from the Duncan site (scroll down until you see it):

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/n ... _duncan_5/

Note that Duncan now uses a Vintage Rails (VR) model in the middle instead of a Duckbucker (DB) as the VR has a better range and a more vintage sound than that of the DB. The pickguard I'm referring to above has has the VR.

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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:25 pm
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What kind of sound (style) is this new band you are in that a pickup swap will make any major difference? Is it a "fatter" sound you need?, or less noise?

At the risk of starting a debate over the properties of an inductor, and how much if any difference it makes over who wound the pickup..or if by machine makes the strings notice any difference, I can with some confidence post this...


A side-by-side humbucking pickup senses a wider section of the string (has a wider aperture) than a single-coil pickup. This affects tone. By picking up a larger portion of the vibrating string more lower harmonics are present in the signal produced by the pickup resulting in a "fatter" tone. Stacked humbuckers have the narrower aperture of a single coil and sound closer to one.

In other words if you use a stacked single coil type pup, don't expect much change in tone..but expect less hum.

If you already have an HSS setup, and expect a major sound or tone change by simply replacing it with another loaded pick guard...you may be in for a disappointment.

Although the pickup can certainly effect the tone...it can also adversely effect it as well. The pickup is nothing more then a coil of wire wrapped around a fixed magnet..the strings break this field and induce a voltage.

The sound characteristics whether regardless of debate, are effected by the fingers of the player, the tonal characteristics of the body. neck and hardware. The pickup simply sends this audio signal to the amp.

If the pickup is too strong (higher output) it can effect sustain by pulling too hard on the strings...lowering the pickup height can help, but then you are back to reduced output. Using a weaker pickup can give you a better sustain, but sound too thin..

In other words..if a pup swap in itself could really make a substantial difference in sound..why not just buy a 150 dollar daisy rock guitar, and put some nice Seymour Duncans in it?

On a side note..why on earth would you want to sound like EVH?...sure he can play..but his sound makes me want to tie a 9 foot rope around my neck..and jump off a 10 foot building. Unless of course your current band requires that 80's shredder style sound,,,then I can understand.

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thanks guys.

Im not planning on putting in a stacked humbucker, i want a standard, normal form factor humbucker, hence the new pickguard, that would be routed for HSS configration.


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I only mentioned what I did because I am hoping a pickup change is actually going to give you what you need and not be disappointing.

For someone like me who does like wiring and modding , I would cut the P/G myself and solder a new bridge pup in. total cost...one pickup so if I wasn't happy I didn't lose much. For you this can be expensive since you want a nice fully loaded P/G.

To better help you make the right decision I would need to know why the guitar you have now is not working for the new band. Is it just too thin sounding..or is the tone itself way off? If the tone itself is way off, it may be a better investment to get another guitar altogether then expect a new loaded P/G to make that much of a difference. Point being as I stated earlier..if a pickup could make that much difference, you could put a Duncan into a Target Starcaster and it would sound like you need...but of course this is not the case in reality. It would just be a slightly different sounding Target Starcaster depending on the pickup choice.

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ebaysux wrote:
...why on earth would you want to sound like EVH?...sure he can play..but his sound makes me want to tie a 9 foot rope around my neck..and jump off a 10 foot building...


LMAO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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What kind of sound (style) is this new band you are in that a pickup swap will make any major difference? Is it a "fatter" sound you need?, or less noise?

That's the first off question. Those Bill Lawrence patented SCN's which were designed for Fender's 2004 Deluxe Strat are quite popular among many of us. I had them in a Clapton-based guitar running a midboost circuit, and they're in the '57VHR which I have on order, and Nikininja has owned for a couple of year now. He's quite impressed.
Have you considered looking a the EMG line of prewired active pickups. :idea: There's a Gilmour,(SSS) and two Kirk Hammet's.(HSS). There are also two signature sets of HB's...a Zak Wylde and a Kerry King.
You can also obtain the various components separately and wire up your own pickguard. There's no soldering involved.
Go to www.emgpickups.com and go to 'guitars'.

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What kind of sound (style) is this new band you are in that a pickup swap will make any major difference? Is it a "fatter" sound you need?, or less noise?

That's the first off question. Those Bill Lawrence patented SCN's which were designed for Fender's 2004 Deluxe Strat are quite popular among many of us. I had them in a Clapton-based guitar running a midboost circuit, and they're in the '57VHR which I have on order, and Nikininja has owned for a couple of year now. He's quite impressed.
Have you considered looking a the EMG line of prewired active pickups. :idea: There's a Gilmour,(SSS) and two Kirk Hammet's.(HSS). There are also two signature sets of HB's...a Zak Wylde and a Kerry King.
You can also obtain the various components separately and wire up your own pickguard. There's no soldering involved.
Go to www.emgpickups.com and go to 'guitars'.



Not to get off topic, but have you heard anything on your hot rod delivery yet?
And back to the original ? the sound of the 57 VHR pups are just out of this world.

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I got my Fralin loaded pickguards from these guys, they're local so I just went to their shop and had them install it...

http://stores.ebay.com/MetalShopMusic-Guitars-Parts-Amps_Loaded-Pickguards_W0QQ_fsubZ5306566QQ_sidZ605141QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

Here's their web site, you can call them direct and tell them what you want, if they have what you're looking for that is.

http://www.metalshopmusic.com/loadedpickguards-2.aspx


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You should find what you're looking for here...www.acmeguitarworks.com they make a variety of preloaded pickguards that require little or no soldering and as far as I know can supply the components to give you the tone you're looking for.You can also contact them by phone at 772-770-1919.

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I think some of you need to re-read the original questions...

"I have a fender with SCN noiseless pickups, but for the latest band i joined its just not working."

Wouldn't it make sense to ask what is "just not working" before offering advice?

"To this end, i want to get a fully loaded pickguard with a HSS configuration."


He wants an HSS configuration

So all we really know, is he wants a loaded guard since he is useless at wiring, wants an HSS configuration, is considering a Duncan EVH, and wants to know the best place to purchase this.

So... we can advise him of a place to purchase a Duncan EVH loaded guard....but I would first like to know what is it that is not working in this new band. Maybe some effects can help..or another guitar. I don't know if slapping in an EVH loaded guard is actually going to make that much of a difference if the guitar itself is not right for this band.

I guess if the only specific question is where to purchase a Duncan EVH HSS loaded PG..some of us may know..but I am curious as to what is wrong that the current guitar is not working out first.

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[quote="ebaysux"]I think some of you need to re-read the original questions...He wants an HSS configuration.
One of those EMG Kirk Hammett's should do it :idea:

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Here's another option -

http://pickersparts.auctivacommerce.com ... 72319.aspx

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Miami Mike wrote:

Seems to me there was someone on another thread involved in a Gilmour project who could have used this link. :idea:

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