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Post subject: cool
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:46 pm
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Good find for you as well.Are Mij body really substandard though???Ive heard mixed things.Ive seen some and they look to par but I dont know.Good luck fixing the trem I dont have much familiartity with em(2pt) so I couldnt say one thing.Anyways, for my body he also had the bridge system he wanted 125 for so im tapped so I will use a mim system I have for the time being and emailed gfs earlier.They have great stuff,customer service and up to par with big named companies.


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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:57 pm
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Depending on the year..MIJ's are actually considered superior to their USA counterparts.

Well think about it..what are Americans most concerned about?? Getting off work and having a beer..and unionizing. The Japs on the other hand...perfection or fall on the sword.

There is much interesting research to be done regarding this topic..such as when the Americans first visited the $@! plant they were almost in tears when they saw the quality control... but for all we know..these are folktales like when Clapton saw Hendrix and there was animosity..well if so why did Clapton cover Hendrix songs? Seems you never know what to believe.

But reality, the $@! bodies are becoming more valuable, they sound great, the QC standards are absolutely amazing..and bottom line..I needed a $@! 62 reissue body to go with my $@! 62 reissue neck..which BTW I don't think ANY Fender expert could tell this neck from an original 62 except for the markings on the heel. Now as I stated, if this sounds as good when played as it seems it should on paper..I have done very well indeed..if not..then it is "part out" time and back to the drawing board.

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:00 pm
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Seem the forum takes offense to shorthand..so where it is censored..replace the @%$)# with "Japanese"...I had used only the first 3 letters not to be racist or insulting..but only to abbreviate..apparently it offends some..I apologize if that is the case but it is not the way I meant it to come out..

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:10 pm
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its a little late for comedy haha.Yeah Ive also too been looking at this black mij 62 reissue though I have also found differences in the 62 models some look like the yngwie and some look like a toy but then I also read alot that they may have been ash guitars.And dont discriminate I dont know but why is there not a hendrix signature.As history tells us we look back before we move forward.But again your guitar sounds cool and do you have utube videos??What should I search for?


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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:58 pm
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Never too late for comedy... anyhoo i don't base my decisions for guitar purchase on how much it looks like an Yngwie..unless of course i was looking to build a Yngwie and would of course only purchase authentic parts.

I look at the year, country of origin, and the cut. Now there is tons of debate over which is better..USA, MIM, MIJ etc...some swear laminate bodies (which are not actually plywood but some consider it as such), have a great bell tone.

The decision for me was already made because I got a great deal on a MIJ 62 reissue neck, so I wanted an MIJ 62 reissue body....why when I could have used a squier or MIM made of the same wood??? because the MIJ is going to be the closest in quality and sound to a genuine 62 USA..which if i could afford, probably still would not buy because I am not a collector..I am a player and I would be very nervous playing a 20,000 dollar or more ax on stage, and having to worry about it getting stolen or damaged.

Lets just say I have champagne taste and beer pockets..but am living on the chance that in this case the Japanese "beer" is as good or better then the USA champagne. It is up for debate, but my build will help prove the point to myself...which is where the buck stops.

I do not have any Youtubes up yet. When I finish this build I will put one up so everyone can hear the results..and also on the USA standard i have resurrected from a severe crisis..it was busted in 3. I have most of the parts for the USA and have under 400 dollars in it so far. I need saddles, posts (it is a 2 point USA standard, not a Highway One) and a neck plate and shes good to go. I have finished it in seas foam green nitro and will post picks once I start the build.

I am having some issues with hairline cracks showing through the finish where I did some repairs as I am not a pro luthier, just handy so I am learning as I go. I am going to put her together and see how it sounds. If it is no good, I will part it out..if it is good I may take the finish back down and try to do a better job. Actually for a 2002 that was wrecked it looks kind of nice, perhaps I am being too picky. It's more that I want to learn how to do this repair perfect then I really care about a few hairline cracks, but MOST importantly, I am concerned about any negative effects on the tone ...again time will tell and I shall post results.

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:40 am
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freddyfingers82 wrote:
and signatures carry value as was said.


maybe, but i dont think they go up in value unless its a whole guitar, even then its questionable.
as for my original post, i was just curious and no i wasnt knocking you in any way. to each his own.
theres no way in hell i would pay that much for a regular painted body.
if it were birdseye or something unique like that then maybe.
so what are your plans for the body at this point?

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Post subject: Re: guitar
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:59 am
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way cool jr wrote:
freddyfingers82 wrote:
and signatures carry value as was said.


maybe, but i dont think they go up in value unless its a whole guitar, even then its questionable.
as for my original post, i was just curious and no i wasnt knocking you in any way. to each his own.
theres no way in hell i would pay that much for a regular painted body.
if it were birdseye or something unique like that then maybe.
so what are your plans for the body at this point?


It depends. True if he does not make a whole guitar using the correct parts it will never be worth as much as if it was. But, the body itself will certainly hold value if left unmodified and in that condition..and will certainly go up in value unless we fall into a major economic depression.

I state again I am not a Malmsteen fan, but am a hard core Strat fan, and I have been watching these guitars and parts for these guitars increase in value over the years. 10 years down the road someone needs that body...they will pay well trust me...30 years down the road..who knows it may be worth as much as what a 60's or 70's body is worth these days..

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=6 ... p=16&_sc=1

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:29 am
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ebaysux wrote:
unless we fall into a major economic depression.


um.... i think we are there right now, depending on what part of the world you live in.
it might hold value if your a fan but i dont think a collector or a investor would find much value in it as is. if he builds the guitar to spec then it might be worth a bit of something in the long run.
we had a topic about sig guitars a couple weeks ago on here
and if they were thought to be over priced or not, and that they were usually a far cry from what the artist actually uses.
again im not knocking, just tying to educate myself on why folks would consider something like this valuable.

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:54 am
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Well I don't feel you are knocking anything so I hope no one else takes it that way. We just have a slight difference of opinion, and that is what forums like these are meant for us to express.

I do understand what you are saying, but the facts show these signature series guitars increase in value..not only to collectors, but to the fans of the artists.

Look at what a Robert Cray body costs for example..and it is a mexi..well any of the signature bodies.

I live in LA and we are feeling this recession (would not call it a depression yet) pretty bad..our unemployment rate is way up there. I have noticed in general prices of guitars and parts declining..so I am actually trying to do some buying now and finding amazing deals. I do not think these economic conditions will go on forever...but there is a long hard road ahead. Once it stabilizes..mark my works everything will go up.

Signature Strats tend to go up in value to collectors simply because they are limited runs..and of course the fans of the artist are willing to pay more for it regardless if it is not an exact replica of the one they used..heck it could be a piece of junk but they will still pay more, and history shows if you watch the auctions, that at least the parts if authentic, increase in value over time. Malmsteen signature parts are particularly notorious for this.

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:20 am
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it would seem that fender and other companies would
numbers match their bodies and necks if values were expected to hold or go up.
i guess its like anything else, something can have a paper value of X, but its only really worth what someone is willing to give for it.
so how does one know if they are buying a fake or not with these bodies?

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:39 am
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freddyfingers82 wrote:
its a little late for comedy haha.Yeah Ive also too been looking at this black mij 62 reissue though I have also found differences in the 62 models some look like the yngwie and some look like a toy but then I also read alot that they may have been ash guitars.And dont discriminate I dont know but why is there not a hendrix signature.As history tells us we look back before we move forward.But again your guitar sounds cool and do you have utube videos??What should I search for?


Sorry I did not address a few of your questions. Yngwies actual guitar as far as research shows, was an early 70's but converted to a late 60's neck..same large headstock and bullet truss..but a 4 bolt. Instead of screws machine bolts were used, I guess he didn't want the problem 3 bolt necks were prone to...which was tilting and would cause string alignment issues.

The earlier malmsteen signatures used a 62 style headstock with spaghetti logo but the later ones were more like his actual guitar and the larger headstock and similar pickups were used..and I imagine the scalloped fretboard.

What I have noticed about many 70's re-issue bodies is the pickups routes are not correct..the sides are rounded which is 62 style...the original 70's pickup routes were slightly squared off on the sides. Don't think this effects the sound much if any..but it is something I noticed.

Has far as hendrix signatures there were lots of them made throughout the years. If I was making my own Hendrix signature I would just do the exact opposite of what hendrix did. I would take a lefty built to late 60's specs, flip it, and reverse the stringing. Instant hendrix. My friend has a Mexican hendrix signature and it is not quite done as I described, but it certainly is an authentic Hendrix signature model. I do not know why you can't find info on those,,just do a google.

There is a nice 97 one on ebay now..around $3000 buy it now...97 USA built much closer to how I described it should be. But it would be a lot cheaper for me to build one myself if I just wanted a player..as far as a collector nothing like the authentic complete signature guitar if you want a return on investment.

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it would seem that fender and other companies would
numbers match their bodies and necks if values were expected to hold or go up.
i guess its like anything else, something can have a paper value of X, but its only really worth what someone is willing to give for it.
so how does one know if they are buying a fake or not with these bodies?


Many times they do use markings on the necks and bodies both and a pro can tell what is correct. You can learn on your own as well by doing research..but still once in a while everyone is stumped with some mystery or unexplained Fender that pops up. Granted they could serial number the body and neck to match..but they don't However this is good if you are building one yourself..in other words it can be authentic and not lose any value this way..but the markings need to be correct regardless or it could become worthless..or not worth much.

If you have been doing this long enough you learn to spot the fakes..or ones that are suspect. This you learn with experience and years of research. If I have any doubts, or anything is off, odd or a little suspect, I simply pass on it...unless it is such a great deal that I can still use it for something.

Just because a part is an authentic signature part, does not mean it will sound better, it only has to do with the value. Since I am more of a player then an investor, I look for what should sound good and what I like...which is 60's and 70's cuts..alder or ash.

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well said/explained. good luck with your new treasure and i hope to see/hear what becomes of it in the future.

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:17 am
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Hey all. Great info again!!!Well i did some more research about this body and I found it is the 20th year of a malmsteen sig.The first being in 87 and also he was the first official artist to have a fender sig!!Who knew!!!I thought it was clapton no his started a year later.Anyways I am not sure I wanted to ever pay 1k for a guitar.I am a player more a hobbyist who if started a collection would want to collect parts from all my favorite players.For instance i bought this body but if i could find another body in nitro(not satin its nice but it stained where my hand rested) in black cheap I would SELL THis BODY AND PICK UP A MALMSTEEN NECK(while acruing value to a collector).But those necks will never come down from 500.If I decided to paint it black in 10 years anyone know if there would be a significant drop in value??I do scallop by hand pretty well I at least do the job and a buddy finishes it.So I will use one of mine for the neck.Obviously there would be no error on a fender neck as oposed to mine.So thats the plan I wanted one strat scalloped and coz I am a yngwie fan and like scallops I wanted a part to be authentic.I have been on a quest for a couple years actually for a authentic yngwie part and max I wanted to spend was 400 and yesterday it happened!!!Electronics I will put in will be gfs brand they have pups exactly like the dimarzios to spec so I will buy those in a loaded pickguard for less than 60.So I hope that answers your question jr.THanks all youre great!


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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:33 am
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also did some research on the bodies all malmsteens have an m on the body the same way i looked at numerous guitars all look the same plus this ebayer has 1,700 feedbacks all positive and sells parts well above waht I paid.


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