Fender stratocaster or Fender stratocaster squier series??

nikininja · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:24 am

Skysc
As Yogi said the trem won't fit. A Mexican 6 point trem will drop right in though.
You can drop American Vintage tuners straight in. If I remember right (it's been a long time) you dont even have to change the bushings.

Personaly if your looking to upgrade the tuners, then I'd look at going all the way with some locking tuners. Also this is a great replacement trem that will drop straight in and give you the 56mm string spacing of the American strats.

http://guitar-parts-and-spares-uk.com/contents/en-uk/p1913.html

Don't let the cheap price put you off. I ditched a callaham blocked mexican trem for one.

DetroitBlues · **Joined:** Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:58 am **Posts:** 2187

Cezarstudio wrote:

Yes! I think so too but some people says that
This in Squer series! and i don't now how to prove that this is Fender stratocaster MIM and not Squier (((
some people says that in Fender serial numbers first two letters is MZ and Fender Squier series has firs two letters mn. Is this true or not? Can somebody help me with it?

The MIM made in the last few years all start with MN....

lefty52 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:13 pm **Posts:** 1

My research would lead me to say that it is not a "Squier Series" as those guitars had a decal on the round part of the headstock that said "Squier Series". They had less expensive pickups and Asian hardware. In either case this is Fender guitar not a Squier. There were a lot of different decals going on guitars in Mexico in the 90's....

DetroitBlues · **Joined:** Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:58 am **Posts:** 2187

Cezarstudio wrote:

Hi everyone!
I have a problem and hope that with Your help i can go through it.
I've bought Fender Stratocaster - Made in Mexico, serial number is mn6112533
Now I'm selling this guitar.
so and now problem is that i can recognize is this Fender stratocaster or Fender stratocaster squier series because it is principal to me

Please help!
Thank You

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Briefly, Squires were made in Mexico, but you have a mexican strat. Plain and simple.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

i dont see anything wrong with this guitar.

Yogi · **Joined:** Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:32 pm **Posts:** 701

I'm pretty sure that is a Squier Series. Has the cheaper asian tuners the same kind that came on my Squier Affinity, and has the black logo. I'm pretty sure the MIM Fender Standard had a silver and black logo. However just because it is a "Squier Series" doesn't mean it isn't a Fender. There were Mexican Standards, Fender "Squier Series", and Mexican Squiers all being made around the same time

Here is the Standard Logo:

Here is the Squier Series Logo:

Here is the Mexican Squier logo:

surfguitar1000 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:13 pm **Posts:** 46

eddytanhh wrote:

Cezarstudio wrote:

Yes! I think so too but some people says that
This in Squer series! and i don't now how to prove that this is Fender stratocaster MIM and not Squier (((
some people says that in Fender serial numbers first two letters is MZ and Fender Squier series has firs two letters mn. Is this true or not? Can somebody help me with it?

MN = MIM from 1990-1999
MZ = MIM from 2000

if it is a Fender Squire series,
there will be a small Squire logo on the headstock

Exactly
It is NOT a Squier series, it is a 1996 MIM Fender Stratocaster

Yogi · **Joined:** Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:32 pm **Posts:** 701

surfguitar1000 wrote:

eddytanhh wrote:

Cezarstudio wrote:

Yes! I think so too but some people says that
This in Squer series! and i don't now how to prove that this is Fender stratocaster MIM and not Squier (((
some people says that in Fender serial numbers first two letters is MZ and Fender Squier series has firs two letters mn. Is this true or not? Can somebody help me with it?

MN = MIM from 1990-1999
MZ = MIM from 2000

if it is a Fender Squire series,
there will be a small Squire logo on the headstock

Exactly
It is NOT a Squier series, it is a 1996 MIM Fender Stratocaster

Did you not see my post? it has the wrong label and tuners to be a MIM Standard. It is a "Squier Series", but its still a Fender MIM.

Some of the Squier Series don't have the logo at the end, but you can tell by the cheaper sealed tuners.

surfguitar1000 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:13 pm **Posts:** 46

Yogi wrote:

Did you not see my post? it has the wrong label and tuners to be a MIM Standard. It is a "Squier Series", but its still a Fender MIM.

Some of the Squier Series don't have the logo at the end, but you can tell by the cheaper sealed tuners.

yeah I read your post.
This should help clear up things for you and anyone else concerning this guitar. Here's what I found:

You might have heard of mexican made Fender guitars with a black headstock decal, sometimes associated with some mystery Squier Series made in Mexico. It’s true that there actually was a “Squier Series” that was made by Fender in Mexico and featured a black decal on the headstock, but not all mexican made Fender guitars with such a black label were part of that very “Squier Series”. Since there appears to be a lot of confusion and half-knowledge about these guitars out there, I decided to do some research on my own.

The black label was used by Fender Mexico for a limited time only between 1993 and 1998. It can be found exclusively on the rather short lived mexican “Traditional” and “Squier” series for the Telecaster, Stratocaster and Precision Bass. Usually, Squier is to Fender what Epiphone is to Gibson. In this very case, the use of the name “Squier” had nothing to do with the actual Squier brand, as the series was named “Squier Series”, but it was by all means a Fender series, not a Squier series. The keyword is “series”, not “Squier”. The regular mexican “Standard” series was available too at the time, but it already featured the same silver-ish logo that is still used for it today. However, between 1993 and 1998, both labels (the black AND the silver-ish one) were used for mexican made Fender guitars, but for (slightly) different guitars.

The guitars with the black label consisted mostly of overstock american made Fender necks and bodies. The parts were shipped to Mexico for assembly with mexican made pickups and far eastern hardware and electronics. The overall quality of these guitars turned out to be below the Squiers made in Japan and Korea, whose production came to an end around the time the mexican made guitars with the black label surfaced, yet above Squiers made in China and Indonesia, whose production had not yet begun at the time. The guitars ended up on the american and european market for just about as much as a guitar from the regular “Standard” series would cost at the time.

Some (not all!) of the guitars were sold for a few bucks less as they came with 1-ply pickguards and hardware of slightly lesser quality. Those guitars (and those only!) had an additional smaller “Squier Series” label on front of the headstock, right were the artist models have the artist’s signature. Though some owners probably sanded off their “Squier Series” label, it is not true that all guitars with a black label had a “Squier Series” label in the first place. Most guitars with the black label featured tuners and bridges of decent quality as well as 3-ply pickguards. These guitars did not have the additional “Squier Series” label and were called the “Traditional Series”, which was stated nowhere on the headstock but the guitars were listed, advertised and sold as such.

The “Traditional Series” can be considered the slightly better but the “Squier Series” sure is the more obscure. At the end of the day, there really is not that much difference between the two. The most significant difference can be found on the Telecaster. The Telecaster from the “Traditional Series” had the traditional through-body stringing, while the Telecasters from the “Squier Series” were Top Loaders with different bridges, saddles and no string holes in the back.

The guitars from that very “Squier Series” are official and genuine Fender guitars like any mexican made Fender guitar regardless, and if you have a mexican made Fender Telecaster, Stratocaster or Precision Bass with a black label and a serial number beginning with MN3, MN4, MN5, MN6, MN7 or MN8, you have a genuine Fender guitar – with or without a small “Squier Series” label."

What we have here is a 1996 Made in Mexico Fender "Traditional Series" Strat.

Yogi · **Joined:** Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:32 pm **Posts:** 701

surfguitar1000 wrote:

Some (not all!) of the guitars were sold for a few bucks less as they came with 1-ply pickguards and hardware of slightly lesser quality. Those guitars (and those only!) had an additional smaller “Squier Series” label on front of the headstock, right were the artist models have the artist’s signature. Though some owners probably sanded off their “Squier Series” label, it is not true that all guitars with a black label had a “Squier Series” label in the first place. Most guitars with the black label featured tuners and bridges of decent quality as well as 3-ply pickguards. These guitars did not have the additional “Squier Series” label and were called the “Traditional Series”, which was stated nowhere on the headstock but the guitars were listed, advertised and sold as such.

The “Traditional Series” can be considered the slightly better but the “Squier Series” sure is the more obscure. At the end of the day, there really is not that much difference between the two. The most significant difference can be found on the Telecaster. The Telecaster from the “Traditional Series” had the traditional through-body stringing, while the Telecasters from the “Squier Series” were Top Loaders with different bridges, saddles and no string holes in the back.

Either way it is not a Mexican Standard, and your post itself says its not much different from a Squier Series. I doubt that the hardware is really "superior" because it looks like the same lackluster tuners and bridge as a Squier Series and that were on my cheaper Affinity strat.

Anyway thanks for the info, mystery solved.

surfguitar1000 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:13 pm **Posts:** 46

jeffo46 wrote:

That's a Squier series. You can tell by the black lettering.

You actually posted that after my post?

IT IS NOT A SQUIER SERIES!!!
It is a 1996 Fender Made in Mexico Traditional Series Stratocaster guitar which sold for roughly the same price as a regular Made in Mexico Standard Stratocaster.

and for anyone else who may have glanced through the info I provided. The term "Squier" in "Squier Series" has absolutely nothing to do with the "Squier" brand. It is just another confusing thing done by the Fender company. like when they put the same serial prefixes on MIJ as well as USA guitars back in the 80"s. Plus if you have a "Squier Series" guitar it is indeed a Fender and not a Squier.

READ FIRST..Then comment. You're giving the OP wrong info.
In actuality I would think that these "Traditional Series" and "Squier Series" guitars are kind of rare and I'd gladly take either one.

dayday · **Joined:** Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 1

i've had mine for 15 years and it has always performed beautifully in many different settings; both professional and not. i have never changed a thing on it, although i may upgrade pickups, pickguard, and tuners this year. i don't think i need to replace the bridge. it's a mexican made fender strat, and i love it's versatility, playability and durability.
serial # MN 575927

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