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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:20 pm
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Hi guys. You have it right. Bakelite was the name given to the original plastic for the knobs, pickup covers and trem arm tip. Bakelite was never used in the pick guards. The "Bakelite" of Fender lore is really polyethylene plastic. It was standard on all strats till late 56, when then began to switch to Polystyrene plastic.

This guitar has NO bakelite. If it did, the parts would be more rounded and worn, but retain a white brilliance. Bakelite did not yellow like polystyrene. You will see in this original, that the plastic parts have yellowed. Bakelite to this day, would be as white as a sheet of paper. Some 57's had all bakelite, but this is very rare. Most have none (like mine), or some. Typically, the pickup covers would be bakelite and the knobs polystyrene. A bakelite trem tip is very rare on a 57. I've never seen one, but hear they are out there.

This guitar is an example of pretty good condition polystyrene. It is a 5 57 body, so the bakelite was probably gone by then. For anyone interested, the potentiometer numbers 304 715 indicate: 304 means stackpole manufacturer, 7 is the year, and 15 means they were made in the 15th week of 1957, i.e., around early May. All the dates are reasonable on this guitar, 7 57 neck, 5 57 body, and May pots.

It is most common to see a later neck on an earlier body. For example, had the neck been a 58, the guitar would be considered a 58, despite the body. It is also quite common to see pots that are much older than the neck and body because Fender did a few large purchases. So sometimes the date range in the dating of a vintage is pretty large. This one is pretty tight, and all early to mid year.

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Thanks Joe.
Interesting what you're saying about Bakelite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite

When you mention Bakelite used on some of the 57s in your response, are
you referring to the polyethylene plastic or was there a case of a rare batch of truely Bakelite components?

I just want to make sure I will not be perpetuating a misunderstanding on my part.


My exposure to true Bakelite was/is in the form of appliances, electrical components both for residential/commercial/industrial building applications
as well as automotive and appliance applications. With the passage of the decades, we see less and less application of the material in common everyday products. This exposure echos the wiki article.

By the way, you should write a guidebook on this subject.


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Hi Twinhit:

The fender use of "Bakelite" was a misnomer. I was referring to (as does the guitar term bakelite) the plastic, which is polystyrene. People for some reason, which I don't know, started calling it bakelite. Probably because it was a brilliant white. It was used for pickup covers, knobs and threeway switch tips. It was never used for the pickguards though.

They stopped using it in late 56, early 57. They switched to "ABS" plastic, which offered the properties of not drying out and crumbling, but it did yellow, as you see in my case. Bakelite just didn't hold up. It is a coveted feature though to find an original with good quality bakelite parts. Sometimes you will see a vintage guitar with pickup covers or knobs worn through to the black pickup underneath. Or the round at the corners. These are bakelite. They look all shot, but still stay brilliant white.

Trust me, I am by no means an expert. There are people out there who know way, way more than I do. I just picked up some stuff doing my homework over the last few years.

Joe


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Here's a good picture representing bakelite versus ABS

The outside two pup covers are ABS (57 onwards)
The inside three represent "bakelite" or polystyrene (54 to early 57)

Note that the bakelite, while brighter, are well worn. The ABS ones have yellowed but maintain their shape much better. So it was a trade off I guess. My guitar has all ABS.

Virtually all 54-56's were bakelite. Some 57's have all or some parts (pup covers, knobs and switch tips) as bakelite. Most, like mine, are all ABS. Having all good condition bakelite probably adds some value, but I don't think too much. Unfortunately, most bakelite parts wore pretty quickly.

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Finally got them on the wall where they belong!

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That looks fantastic, Joe! But you're wrong, they belong in my hands :lol:

Congratulations on owning such a remarkable piece of history as well as one of the finest playing guitars ever.


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Now that is really cool! I love those display cases! They're perfect for showing off the guitar and protecting them as well...

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Amazing -- very entertaining thread!

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I don't know what's harder to do. Keep that strat safe from others or keeping it safe from yourself playing it too much!

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I do play it a bit, but gently! It's a special guitar.


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