Ok.

Here is the basic pickup/tone control selection I want for my MIM Strat:

http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stratocaster/0139202A/SD0139202APg4.pdf

BUT, I want a tone control in position 3. I do not care if it is T1 or T2. I do NOT want multiple tone controls used at any time.

Using this switch,

STEWMAC.COM : Instructions for Super Switch

can I get what I want?

If so, can someone sketch it out? I am clueless on guitar switch operation. TIA.

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You want tone control for your bridge pickup?

Look at your 5 way switch, on one side you can see the wires from the pickups to the switch, the other side you see an empty lug then 2 lugs with the wires going down to the tone controls. Call the empty lug #1, the one next to it #2 etc.
If you move the wire from lug #2 to lug #1 you will have tone control on the bridge aqnd neck pickups but not on the middle pickup.
If you put a jumper wire connecting lugs #3 and lug #1 you will have tone control on the bridge pickup and the neck pickup on the same control. Since you won't have the neck and bridge pickups on at the same time this will work for great for you.

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

If I am not mistaken, that gets you something like this

http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 02CPg4.pdf

with two tone controls on one position. I want only one tone control for each position, hence my question about using the super switch.

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No. What you will end up with is:

Position 1 Tone Control on Bridge pick up using T-2
Position 2 Tone Control for Bridge and Middle using T-2 and T-1
Position 3 Tone Control for Middle using T-1
Position 4 Tone Control for Middle and Neck using T-1 and T-2
Position 5 Tone Control for Neck using T-2

Since you never have the Bridge and Neck pickups selected at the same time T-2 does not control both at the same time.

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

There are 2 controls & 3 pups.
You can either have to have 1 pot connected 2 pups OR 1 pup with no controls.
If you want 3 tone control you will have to install a concentric pot.


Craig

Let me be perfectly clear. I am not asking if I can do what I want with the existing 5-way switch. I know that I cannot do it. I don't care if one pot controls two pickups. What I do not want is two pickups with two tone controls as postions 2 and 4 currently give with the American Standard wiring. I am trying to get:

Pos 1 - Bridge + 1 tone
Pos 2 - Middle + bridge + 1 tone
Pos 3 - Middle + 1 tone
Pos 4 - Middle + Neck + 1 tone
Pos 5 - Neck + 1 tone

I am asking if I can somehow do this using this switch in place of the stock 5-way switch:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics ... ns#details

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You can use all the fancy switches and wiring diagrams there are but you still end up with 3 pickups going into 2 tone controls. So, either 2 pickups share a tone control or you only have 2 pickups using tone controls.

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

Please note the bolded part of your post:



This is what I am asking for:

Pos 1 - Bridge + 1 tone
Pos 2 - Middle + bridge + 1 tone
Pos 3 - Middle + 1 tone
Pos 4 - Middle + Neck + 1 tone
Pos 5 - Neck + 1 tone

Unless I am really thick, what I am asking for is what you say needs to be done. I am hoping that someone with more knowledge of guitar wiring than I have will tell me if this switch

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics ... ns#details

will allow me to do that.

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OK. Forget that fancy smancy switch for a minute. Unless you are very bad at explaining or I am very bad at understanding it looks like you want all 3 pickups on the same tone control.

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

bluesky636,

Yes you are not very clear I agree with CAFeathers

Please reread my posts from the beginning. I don't know how to be any more clearer. If I could draw a picture, I would, but that is what I am trying to figure out. I have three pickups and two tone controls. I am trying to figure out a way to allocate those two tone controls to the three pickups so that each of the five switch selections has one and only one tone control assigned to it. It does not matter which of the two it is but for clarity's sake let's say:

Pos 1 = Bridge + Tone 1
Pos 2 = Bridge + Middle + Tone 1
Pos 3 = Middle + Tone 1
Pos 4 = Middle + Neck + Tone 2
Pos 5 = Neck + Tone 2

This is as I stated before except previously I did not assign a specific tone pot to a specific position because it doesn't matter. Tone 1 could be Tone 2 and Tone 2 could be Tone 1 in the above example. I just one one tone per selection but I want to use all tone pots. If that doesn't make things clear, then I don't know what else to say.

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The only way to do that and make it work the way you want is to wire all 3 pickups into a master tone control.

Decide which one of the tone controls you want to use. follow the leads for both back up the 5 way switch. Disconnect the one you don't want (either lug 2 or lug 3). Then run a jumper from the now 2 empty lugs (either 1 and 2 or 1 and 3) to the one with the wire that leads to the control pot.

You now have a Master Tone and Master Volume Strat.

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

Ok. Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, everyone seems to be hung up on what can be done using the stock, 5-way switch. I am trying to look beyond that by using a different switch and/or switch combination. And I think I have found what I am looking for in the Fender wiring diagrams.

The American Deluxe Fat Stratocaster® (HSS) pickup and tone control selections look like this:

http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 02CPg4.pdf

Seems to me that a single coil could easily replace the bridge humbucker in this configuration.

The wiring looks like this:

http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 02CPg2.pdf

The bottom line is, this configuration is built around the super switch that I originally asked about using.

This is not a project I intend to undertake on my own, but is something I want to talk to my local luthier about next week when I talk to him about setting up and modifying my guitar. Maybe it will be too difficult (read: expensive) to do and I will just go with the standard 5-way switch and American Standard wiring. We'll see. I'll post about it if I end up being able to do this. It looks like a cool, and to me at least, desirable mod.

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Good Luck

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I didn't Lose my mind, I traded it for this guitar.

Thanks.

I had the wrong wiring diagram posted (I have fixed that). The correct one is much simpler. Also had the wrong parts list which I deleted since the only different parts will be the super switch and an additional tone cap. This wiring actually looks fairly straightforward and less expensive.

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