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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:31 pm
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For those smart@$$#$ who have taken to insulting and deriding me why don't we ever see this same topic concerning Fender guitars Made in U.S.A., Japan, India, Indonesia ?

We see it every so often where Squiers made in China are suspect but even those are gradually gaining in "quality".

When a MIM Fender guitar is where it is in the cost scale one should expect and receive an instrument commenserate with the price they paid.

One must also remember not all shops are so accomodating where defects found after leaving the store are raised. We ALL have stories of arrogant, miserly shop owners who would charge for a bent stamped string tree, others charge for "set-ups".

Because as I said Squires don't overlap with American Fenders in Quality Control but a Mexican Fender can

And how many people who go to buy an American Fender stop and think "Hey maybe this Squire is a better guitar"?


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You completely failed to answer/see my question both times. Is it some guy in Mexico that sets quality control, or some guy who lives in your country?

Answer that then carry on with your xenophobic anti mexican rant.

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You rae the only one who has insulted and derided aside from me calling you a racist.

Like I said, the admin can see your original posts before you edited them

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The only thing I have called you is a racist which I stand by.

You made references about how well I could speak English etc and then edited your posts. Brad can see those before they were edited so it's there in black and white.

Regarding your guitar, Nikininja, as always talks sense and I also think you have a blinkered view as to how the world works.

Also, why did you pay for it if you didn't like it?

Thats me done, back to the lounge for some sanity!

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When it comes to my "ENGLISH" which you referd to in my previous post that was edited as it was part of deleted/uncompleted sentence.

As Lionel Trains discovered in the early 70's it did NOT pay to have their world reknowned product manufactured in Mexico. In fact one of the biggest problems was inability of the Mexican work force to understand English whether reading or writing. They could NOT read an electrical schematic or understand the simplest wiring steps.

As a result THOUSANDS of trains were returned from 1972-74. Succesive Christmas days were a bust for many children as engines just sat refusing to budge or cycle through the "E-unit" sequence. The following days stores and shops were deluged with returns and repairs. ALL had one thing in common they were made in Mexico. This killed the Lionel reputation for excellence which took OVER a decade to restore.

Lionel took their tools, dies and manufacturing to the Far East and Southeast Asia. What resulted was superior craftsmanship and detail beyond what was previously possible. "Quality control" issues were not existent as only properly painted and constructed trains were sold to the public.

Despite initial indifference and the American publics' reluctance to buy "Asian" those models have now become the standardbearer of toy trains once again. Today Lionel trains are made in both South Korea and China and their quality and detail surpasses even those made in the much revered "Post war era".

Yeah go ahead make excuses if I was a shareholder or on the board of directors I would want SOLUTIONS to the quality control problems.

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You referred to ME and MY English though. Not Mexicans.

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JerseyJettFan wrote:

Yeah go ahead make excuses if I was a shreholder or on the board I would want SOLUTIONS to the quality control problems.


That statement reveals your utter naivety as to any level of the business/economic world. All any shareholder wants is profit today. When that doesnt happen they move on to the next cash cow.
I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself now by revealing your ignorance of the world around you.

There now I'm being insulting, do you see where? Bet you a tenner you think its the 'stop embarrassing yourself' line, which is actually advice not insult.

This is nearly as good as the two Ronnies.

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I've played more mim strats than I can remember, there is a GC not far from work and I frequently lunch there, and I haven't encountered the level of imperfection you seem to be describing. Sure, there have been setups that could have been better and a few necks with slight fret sprout, perfectly normal with changes in humidity, but nothing that would indicate any quality control issues and, I've seen the same thing on guitars other than mims or even other Fenders. And, those guitars were all hanging out on display or sitting on stands available to play by anyone that walked in the store. A very busy, high volume store. They get played, and played hard by some of the kids that go there. That, to me, speaks for the quality and durability of Fender guitars of all origins.

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nikininja wrote:
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This is nearly as good as the two Ronnies.


'And thats a goodnight from me!'

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Celtic Cyclonus wrote:
You referred to ME and MY English though. Not Mexicans.

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I refered to your "english" because though you read (past tense) what I was typing you weren't understanding the intent. I suspect you're near Bleecker St in the Land of Queens and Princes. There are differences in inflection and meaning between our similiar language.

As for Mexican Fenders made once I saw the lack of quality I wasn't pissing away my hard-earned cash. There's also the fact that I rather energize an economy that is sympathetic to my own country (that IS my right).

And as for me being the dreaded (by some) "R" word if I am it IS my right as well. I can choose to believe anything I want in this Great Nation (at least for the time being anyway) and I wouldn't be ashamed.

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You referred to ME and MY English though. Not Mexicans.

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I refered to your "english" because though you read (past tense) what I was typing you weren't understanding the intent. I suspect you're near Bleecker St in the Land of Queens and Princes. There are differences in inflection and meaning between our similiar language.

As for Mexican Fenders made once I saw the lack of quality I wasn't pissing away my hard-earned cash. There's also the fact that I rather energize an economy that is sympathetic to my own country (that IS my right).

And as for me being the dreaded (by some) "R" word if I am it IS my right as well. I can choose to believe anything I want in this Great Nation (at least for the time being anyway) and I wouldn't be ashamed.


You are on the World Wide Web, EVERY COUNTRY is here! Its like talking to a brick wall!

Also its Fenders rules that apply here, not your countries. DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND READ THEM!!!

There is no difference, a language is a language and you insulted me and its there for the admin to see in plain ENGLISH.

Your arguments are laughable and if you aren't editing most of your threads to hide your obvious pathetic racism and insults of me then why are you?

You are boring me now and haven't replied civilly once even after being told you were a moron.

I'm bored of you now, go have fun in your little bubble and leave the intelligent conversation to those who posses the intelligence to do so and be civil.

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
For those smart@$$#$ who have taken to insulting and deriding me why don't we ever see this same topic concerning Fender guitars Made in U.S.A., Japan, India, Indonesia ?

We see it every so often where Squiers made in China are suspect but even those are gradually gaining in "quality".

When a MIM Fender guitar is where it is in the cost scale one should expect and receive an instrument commenserate with the price they paid.

One must also remember not all shops are so accomodating where defects found after leaving the store are raised. We ALL have stories of arrogant, miserly shop owners who would charge for a bent stamped string tree, others charge for "set-ups".

Because as I said Squires don't overlap with American Fenders in Quality Control but a Mexican Fender can

And how many people who go to buy an American Fender stop and think "Hey maybe this Squire is a better guitar"?


Now that is DISCRIMINATION ! The Squier line is becoming competive with the MIM Fenders and I predict WILL soon surpass them in sales.

The public WILL discover as most discerning players have that Squiers offer the best "bang for the buck".

Why do you think there is such a market for "Fender" logos ? It's because cash strapped players or those not wanting to deal with the outright snobbery "relabel" their guitars. I suspect there are far more Squiers being played on stages in bars on weekends then most realize.

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
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JerseyJettFan wrote:
For those smart@$$#$ who have taken to insulting and deriding me why don't we ever see this same topic concerning Fender guitars Made in U.S.A., Japan, India, Indonesia ?

We see it every so often where Squiers made in China are suspect but even those are gradually gaining in "quality".

When a MIM Fender guitar is where it is in the cost scale one should expect and receive an instrument commenserate with the price they paid.

One must also remember not all shops are so accomodating where defects found after leaving the store are raised. We ALL have stories of arrogant, miserly shop owners who would charge for a bent stamped string tree, others charge for "set-ups".

Because as I said Squires don't overlap with American Fenders in Quality Control but a Mexican Fender can

And how many people who go to buy an American Fender stop and think "Hey maybe this Squire is a better guitar"?


Now that is DISCRIMINATION ! The Squier line is becoming competive with the MIM Fenders and I predict WILL soon surpass them in sales.

The public WILL discover as most discerning players have that Squiers offer the best "bang for the buck".

Why do you think there is such a market for "Fender" logos ? It's because cash strapped players or those not wanting to deal with the outright snobbery "relabel" their guitars. I suspect there are far more Squiers being played on stages in bars on weekends then most realize.

Yes a Classic Vibe can beat a better Mexican Standard but a Standard Squire cannot


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I've seen your postings here for years before I joined I already knew who and what you're about. As always those of your persuasion act as bullies over the 'net after all you're part of the "in crowd" here, well those days are quickly coming to end over there as well as here.

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
I've seen your postings here for years before I joined I already knew who and what you're about. As always those of your persuasion act as bullies over the 'net after all you're part of the "in crowd" here, well those days are quickly coming to end over there as well as here.


Its not an 'in' crowd. The people who frequent this forum like to respect it enough to play by the rules and the good people here police the forum themselves and report to Brad anything 'not cool'. Brad and FMIC are good enough to let us have this place and we respect that.

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You completely failed to answer/see my question both times. Is it some guy in Mexico that sets quality control, or some guy who lives in your country?

Answer that then carry on with your xenophobic anti mexican rant.


Someone is lazy or shiftless, if it's the supervisors (Mexicans according to Fenders own history) or the workers (again Mexicans) it shows they do NOT care about the product they build. Someone in Southeast Asia would be happy to have their job and support their own family.

As for Fender their own history states that representatives from the USA were sent down to train the workers and supervisors. The factory supposedly operates independently, if that's true then the ONLY ones to blame are the Mexican workers(sic).

This same substandard work ethic is apparent in the buses I repair. We try and buy those coaches made in Canada and North Dakota which are the standard of the industry but are often forced to take inventory from Mexico which as a result contain numerous defects. Wiring harnesses buried below outer side panels during construction with screws driven through the harnesses grounding the "run" switch causing intermittent shut downs on the HIGHWAY. Yes another fine product from Mexico.

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