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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:49 pm
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You got that right C.C. this guy puts me in mind of the so-called"Christian" Militia crowd that they arrested in Michigan and Illinois the other day.Not happy unless he's mad about something.Fanatics of any type of political stripe are best avoided.


Go ahead "resort to "labeling" and "name calling" that's ALL you and your black sweatshirted, black bandana wearing pals are good for.

Unlike you I don't bow down before no cafe' latte'.........

Well that's a bit hypocritical of you to bash some one about labeling and then going on to label them as an "anarchist" or whatever you were going for


Exactly WHAT did I label them ? Specify it ?

"That's ALL you and your black sweatshirted, black bandana wearing pals are good for"

oh and just to mention the First Amendment states that Congress Shall pass no law against the Freedom of Speech, nothing about Fender Musical Instrument Corporation.


Is your last name "Fender" ?

nope, but do I have the power to "censor" you on this forum? and CC was referring to the creator and administrator of this forum by his name.


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JerseyJettFan wrote:
guitslinger wrote:
You got that right C.C. this guy puts me in mind of the so-called"Christian" Militia crowd that they arrested in Michigan and Illinois the other day.Not happy unless he's mad about something.Fanatics of any type of political stripe are best avoided.


Go ahead "resort to "labeling" and "name calling" that's ALL you and your black sweatshirted, black bandana wearing pals are good for.

Unlike you I don't bow down before no cafe' latte'.........



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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:51 pm
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See despite all your attempts at minimizing my observations NOT one have you have been able to explain, justify, or refute my assertions that Fender guitars made in Mexico are substandard when compared to those made in the U.S.A., India, Korea, Japan or Indonesia.

Go ahead try and silence me this is NOT the first thread concerning this issue, NO, wait it's a PROBLEM ! Sooner or later Fender will wake up and solve the mediocre manufacturing from south of the Grand River. Maybe they'll even move jobs back top this great nation.

Bottom line any guitar sold made anywhere with the Fender/Squier logo benefits Fender Inc.

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:55 pm
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Celtic Cyclonus wrote:
Brad runs this place and you have come on and made MANY assumptions. We are here every day and here to talk politely to each other.

You obviously never read the rules when you joined and a few people here are momentarily reporting your activity.

There are rules.

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Yeah, I was already informed by another member that you've been messaging each other attempting to censor me, what a cowardly act ganging up on one member, real men you are(sic).

So what's you explanation for all the defects found on the Mexican made Fender guitars ?

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
See despite all your attempts at minimizing my observations NOT one have you have been able to explain, justify, or refute my assertions that Fender guitars made in Mexico are substandard when compared to those made in the U.S.A., India, Korea, Japan or Indonesia.

Go ahead try and silence me this is NOT the first thread concerning this issue, NO, wait it's a PROBLEM ! Sooner or later Fender will wake up and solve the mediocre manufacturing from south of the Grand River. Maybe they'll even move jobs back top this great nation.

Bottom line any guitar sold made anywhere with the Fender/Squier logo benefits Fender Inc.

I think my MIM Telecaster is better than any Squire I've played YMMV


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My MIM is a great guitar but it's not that I'm referring to, its the way you have went about your posts here and on the Tele section too in a racist and confrontational way.

Brad, the administrator can see all the posts before they are edited by the way.

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
Celtic Cyclonus wrote:
Brad runs this place and you have come on and made MANY assumptions. We are here every day and here to talk politely to each other.

You obviously never read the rules when you joined and a few people here are momentarily reporting your activity.

There are rules.

CC


Yeah, I was already informed by another member that you've been messaging each other attempting to censor me, what a cowardly act ganging up on one member, real men you are(sic).

So what's you explanation for all the defects found on the Mexican made Fender guitars ?


No, we are just trying to keep this place clean and to be honest you aren't coming across as much of a man yourself.

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Well your first amendment (that is actually a lie. If you believe you have freedom of speech go ask King George if 'Osama had a point to prove?' and see how free you are) is thrown up the wall when you sign up and thereby adhere to the websites terms and conditions.

Anyway If your stupid enough to by a guitar of inferior quality you have no right to complain as a seasoned player. It's your own stupid fault.

Not asking anyone to leave. Just to act responsibly and intelligently and maybe have a bit of thought for there fellow man.

If you cant do that then really you've lost all rights to address me for one.

Now what our so called learned friends need to understand is that Fender quality control levels are set ultimately by people of many nations, the shareholders. Not some poor mexican guy working his arse off to earn a crust and feed his family. Before engaging in such frivolous conversation its worth getting into the 20th century (never mind the 21st) and getting educated as to the way the world works. Instead of looking out your window and taking a guess.

Pity the fools who take in the madness.

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:11 pm
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Bob Rayne wrote:
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See despite all your attempts at minimizing my observations NOT one have you have been able to explain, justify, or refute my assertions that Fender guitars made in Mexico are substandard when compared to those made in the U.S.A., India, Korea, Japan or Indonesia.

Go ahead try and silence me this is NOT the first thread concerning this issue, NO, wait it's a PROBLEM ! Sooner or later Fender will wake up and solve the mediocre manufacturing from south of the Grand River. Maybe they'll even move jobs back top this great nation.

Bottom line any guitar sold made anywhere with the Fender/Squier logo benefits Fender Inc.

I think my MIM Telecaster is better than any Squire I've played YMMV


Likely because the retailer you purchased your guitar from took the time to correct the manufacturing defects PRIOR to ever hanging that guitar on a peg in his shop. Again wasted time/labor costs that should NOT be asborbed by the point of sale retailer. If these models were cars they would be recalled.

This same thread reappears frequently for one reason and one reason only and that is because the "quality control" is lacking south of the border. Until Fender realizes this and acts to correct this deficiency it WILL continue to be controversial as new owners realize the flaws in their guitars.

It's truly a shame that a certain segment of the Fender community see everything as bigoted or racist and resort to name calling.

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HA! I've owned three MIM's a Strat, a Tele, and now a Strat. NEVER a problem, defect, flaw or anything negative. I LOVE MY MIM STRAT!!! It rocks. Very well made, beautiful, no, nada zero problems. Oh did I say that I love my MIM strat!

Thank you Fender for making a Strat affordable to me. I would recommend to anyone.

Thank you, thank you very much :-)


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nikininja wrote:
Well your first amendment (that is actually a lie. If you believe you have freedom of speech go ask King George if 'Osama had a point to prove?' and see how free you are) is thrown up the wall when you sign up and thereby adhere to the websites terms and conditions.

Anyway If your stupid enough to by a guitar of inferior quality you have no right to complain as a seasoned player. It's your own stupid fault.

Not asking anyone to leave. Just to act responsibly and intelligently and maybe have a bit of thought for there fellow man.

If you cant do that then really you've lost all rights to address me for one.

Now what our so called learned friends need to understand is that Fender quality control levels are set ultimately by people of many nations, the shareholders. Not some poor mexican guy working his arse off to earn a crust and feed his family. Before engaging in such frivolous conversation its worth getting into the 20th century (never mind the 21st) and getting educated as to the way the world works. Instead of looking out your window and taking a guess.

Pity the fools who take in the madness.


Great attidude to take toward new players and uninformed parents who purchase guitars as gifts. Is that the same stand you take when you hear of a child suffocated in a defective crib ? Remember those are recalled on a regular basis, just the other day the "slings" so popular at the moment with parents have been pulled from shelves.

There are some new to the hobby that have no idea as what to expect and if presented with an inferior product that cuts their hands as the MIM Strat did mine might just putting it down and go back to their Wii or XBox.

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The only thing I have called you is a racist which I stand by.

You made references about how well I could speak English etc and then edited your posts. Brad can see those before they were edited so it's there in black and white.

Regarding your guitar, Nikininja, as always talks sense and I also think you have a blinkered view as to how the world works.

Also, why did you pay for it if you didn't like it?

Thats me done, back to the lounge for some sanity!

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JerseyJettFan wrote:
Bob Rayne wrote:
JerseyJettFan wrote:
See despite all your attempts at minimizing my observations NOT one have you have been able to explain, justify, or refute my assertions that Fender guitars made in Mexico are substandard when compared to those made in the U.S.A., India, Korea, Japan or Indonesia.

Go ahead try and silence me this is NOT the first thread concerning this issue, NO, wait it's a PROBLEM ! Sooner or later Fender will wake up and solve the mediocre manufacturing from south of the Grand River. Maybe they'll even move jobs back top this great nation.

Bottom line any guitar sold made anywhere with the Fender/Squier logo benefits Fender Inc.

I think my MIM Telecaster is better than any Squire I've played YMMV


Likely because the retailer you purchased your guitar from took the time to correct the manufacturing defects PRIOR to ever hanging that guitar on a peg in his shop. Again wasted time/labor costs that should NOT be asborbed by the point of sale retailer. If these models were cars they would be recalled.

This same thread reappears frequently for one reason and one reason only and that is because the "quality control" is lacking south of the border. Until Fender realizes this and acts to correct this deficiency it WILL continue to be controversial as new owners realize the flaws in their guitars.

It's truly a shame that a certain segment of the Fender community see everything as bigoted or racist and resort to name calling.

I doubt the cheap pawn shop I bought it from fixed anything on it.

And the first three price point of Fender Guitars (Squire, Mexican fenders, American Fenders) all have overlapping quality control. What I mean is I've seen Squires better than Mexican Fenders and I've seen Mexican Fenders Better than American ones (Standards vs. Standards on all accounts) But Squire has the widest berth of QC, then Mexican, Then American


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JerseyJettFan wrote:
nikininja wrote:
Well your first amendment (that is actually a lie. If you believe you have freedom of speech go ask King George if 'Osama had a point to prove?' and see how free you are) is thrown up the wall when you sign up and thereby adhere to the websites terms and conditions.

Anyway If your stupid enough to by a guitar of inferior quality you have no right to complain as a seasoned player. It's your own stupid fault.

Not asking anyone to leave. Just to act responsibly and intelligently and maybe have a bit of thought for there fellow man.

If you cant do that then really you've lost all rights to address me for one.

Now what our so called learned friends need to understand is that Fender quality control levels are set ultimately by people of many nations, the shareholders. Not some poor mexican guy working his arse off to earn a crust and feed his family. Before engaging in such frivolous conversation its worth getting into the 20th century (never mind the 21st) and getting educated as to the way the world works. Instead of looking out your window and taking a guess.

Pity the fools who take in the madness.


Great attidude to take toward new players and uninformed parents who purchase guitars as gifts. Is that the same stand you take when you here of a child suffocated in a defective crib ? Remember those are recalled on a regular basis, just the other day the "slings" so popular at the moment with parents have been pulled from shelves.

There are some new to the hobby that have no idea as what to expect and if presented with an inferior product that cuts their hands as the MIM Strat did mine might just putting it down and go back to their Wii or XBox.


And that is your laughable response to the fact that business is international these days.

mate your a joke.

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For those smart@$$#$ who have taken to insulting and deriding me why don't we ever see this same topic concerning Fender guitars Made in U.S.A., Japan, India, Indonesia ?

We see it every so often where Squiers made in China are suspect but even those are gradually gaining in "quality".

When a MIM Fender guitar is where it is in the cost scale one should expect and receive an instrument commenserate with the price they paid.

One must also remember not all shops are so accomodating where defects found after leaving the store are raised. We ALL have stories of arrogant, miserly shop owners who would charge for a bent stamped string tree, others charge for "set-ups".

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