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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:59 pm
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Get a DSL, TSL or a Vintage Modern 50watt combo. Up a bit from your pricerange but the best money you'll ever spend.
The new MA series has a good reputation and chinese built to keep the costs down. I haven't heard one in person though.
http://www.dv247.com/guitars/marshall-ma50c-guitar-valve-amp-combo--67735

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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:54 pm
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okay im going to take a look


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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:08 pm
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ok so i found the dsl and tsl in my price range, and for the ma i didnt find anything so what is the difference between dsl and tsl and haze?


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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:17 pm
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Philly Willy I don't know where you read the bad reviews of the Haze but I've only read and heard great reviews of it.I haven't played throughan MA series but I did hear one in L&M yesterday and there's no mistaking the Marshall tone, I knew when I heard it and of course when I looked it was confirmed and it was less than half the price of a British made one and even cheaper than one made in Viet Nam.I didn't even know that they made Marshalls in Viet Nam until I saw it on a back panel yesterday.

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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:29 pm
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at first i read bad reviews i forgot were but thasn i read osme good ones i also hear that Dsl has better tone than tsl


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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:24 pm
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Just a suggestion...
I use an original Peavy 5150 head. I use pedals to shape my tone and run my pedal board right in to the front of the clean channel on the amp. I turn the pre gain up to where it just wants to crunch and then back off a sniz so it's spanky clean and punchy, then add distortion and whatever else from my pedal board. The advantage of this set up is that it sounds great at any volume. Even just at home at "don't piss the neighbors off" volume. You don't have to crank the amp to get a good tone if your not overdriving the power tubes to get it. Another advantage is that you are not confined to one distortion sound. I use a boss MT-2 with a Boss compressor sustainer in front of it and it sounds better than the amp distortion (the people I play with think so too). You can pick up the old 5150's for dirt cheap these days and they're so punchy and toneful that they'll put a crack in yer toilet and rattle the pictures right off yer wall.


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:32 am
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The DSL doenst have better tone than the TSL at all. It's just slightly different, what you prefer is entirely up to you.

I found the DSL has more of a traditional 70's kind of base sound though the amplifier is anything but a 70's clone. It's capable of so much more. It's very much like a traditional single channel early marshall on the clean side of the amp. Maxed out its very similar to playing through a plexi.

The TSL is far more styled on the 80's harder edged marshalls. The 800,900 and SLX if you will. The channel switching on this amp is excellent, it's capable of more gain than the DSL too. Has a output power switch round the back so you can take it down to 25watts (thats still way to loud for the house though). All in all if you cant find a sound you like on this amp you either dont know what your doing or just dont like guitar sounds.

Myself I favour the DSL of the two simply because of that slight difference in base sound. I dont use a million sounds and never channel change, I just clean up through the guitars volume.

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nikininja wrote:
Absolutely. If you want a british sound you have to go with British amps.

If you want an American sound, go with American amps.

Hardly rocket science is it?


What I would like to see is a KT66'd Bassman that is Fenders take on the JTM amp. After all Jim Marshall copied the Bassman so I think it would be great for Fender to copy the JTM. Sort of a natural progression to that idea.

I think in a lot of ways that would be the all defining amp. I'd probably be selling the kids to buy one though.


If you want both, go look at Egnater. It runs both EL84 and 6V6 power tubes. You can blend them to any degree you want. Goes from clean to decent metal.


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xan.cowen wrote:
don't sacrifice tone for volume


True words of wisdom. :wink:


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:05 am
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philywilly33 wrote:
sorry for all of these posts by myself but now i think that Marshall would be best because i intend on having a heavy sound and Gibson and Marshall are a good combo and now I'm starting to like the haze any other Marshall's i should look at?


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Hiwatt
Marshall
Mesaboogie
Carvin
Hughes and Kettner

They will all get you there.

If your either going after head and cab or a smaller combo amp you need to play close attention to how the amp combined with speaker and your guitar sounds.

You may find with a darker sounding guitar such as yours the gain can get muddied so the *usable* gain range is less on some amps than others. Speaker choice and size of enclosure is also very important as well as the volume you will be playing at. For onboard amp tube distortion some models need the volume and gain to be dialed wide open. So if you might never achieve the sound your after practicing in a bedroom or living room if the amp is too powerful for your needs.

I suggest going to a guitar store and trying some out to get an idea of the sound. If you use effects as well you should try to get an idea how they work with the gain on the amps you like. Even if your buying second hand start in the store.

Here is some ideas to think about and make a check list:
Find your technology (solid state, tube, hybrid, modern tube with different voicing, modeling amps)?
Hand made or mass produced?
What form factor (head and cab, combo, mini stack)?
What maximum wattage you require e.g. what is the amps use?
What wattage may you need in the future?
Will an amp with a switchable wattage suit you?
(5 watts tube is plenty for self practice, most people have no idea)
Do you need an output for recording?
Do you need an effects loop?
How many channels do you want (switch between settings and gain easy)?
Does it need reverb?
Do you want an amp with a footswitch to control channels, reverb at your feet?
What other things do you need on the amp? EQ, presence, EQ scoop, channel volumes, master volume, gain on each channel, standby switch?

Then:
Try the amp with your guitar
Does the amp have the tone stack (e.g Brit??) your looking for?
How far can you push the channels before you get distortion?
On modern amps are you happy with the vocings or modeling?
How much noise does the amp have?
Can you get your effects or other effects you want to run on the amp and sound ok.
For the experienced buyers will swapping speakers (cab) or tubes to get a better or more definitive sound from the amp.

If your buying second hand especially a tube amp make sure you read up on how to identify worn out tubes, micro-phonics and noise problems in amps.
Old tube amps may require the capacitors changing (can be expensive). After the amp has been in operation for so many thousand hours (depends on model, usage and care) the tubes will need to be replaced as well.

A old $500 tube amp can cost you an extra $300 in servicing depending if its got issues. That is why its important to know what your listening to and test before buying if practical and if its not to know when it was last serviced or see the receipts. Some unscrupulous sellers will pass off tube amps this way when its time to have them overhauled.

So yeah a couple of things to consider.


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:21 pm
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i doubt i can do mesa i hear they are expensive my price range is 700 max, eganters sound relaly good are there ones in my price range? and volume isnt much of a prob i just wana be able to gig with it, and do band rehersals with it. arent cabs heavy? if i can find a cab and head for a good price i would do it, because im probly gonna be keepin it at the drummers house anyway, so please list some specific amps so i can checkem out not just a brand, thanks


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:30 pm
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i found an egnater renegade for 750$ have yall tried out the tweaker series half stack? does the 15 watt head only meanms that the ampo is 15 watts loud?


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:32 pm
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A 4x12 cab and 100watt head is far easier to transport than a 100watt 2x12 combo. They will require you making two trips at each stage of loading. Their two easier steps though.

If your going above 50watts get a 2x12, 4x12 or even a 4x10

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:39 pm
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feel fre to suggest half stacks or different heads for different cabs but i just need suggestiogns and maybe give me ur onpinion on it


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:12 pm
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so if its a 15 watt head its only 15 watts? and i found a rebel 30 watt in my price range


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