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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:41 am
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Thats exactly what it is. I run the (not so clean) clean channel from that into the 4x12, it gives a really great kind of 60's marshall sound. I use that for a bass tone. The 2203 goes into the 2x12's of the 4211's combo. That gives me the treble sound.

That old cab fell apart. I built it year ago with a nice vinyl covering. Years of throwing it in the back of vans meant it was more gaffa tape than vinyl.
The thing would sway from side to side when you were playing too.

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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:00 am
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01GT eibach wrote:
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Put humbuckers in there and you can't tell that that a guitar is a Strat by just listening to it - hence my statement that (IMO) it is not a really a true Strat anymore when you put humbuckers in.

Your assertion is very valid. But let me toss in a "however" here ... I recently completed a project Strat build with all Fender components, except I made it an HH with full-size Dimarzios (a PAF pro and a PAF Pro Joe Satriani). I don't know if it was the alder body, the particular pickup choice, or maybe both ... but the guitar is sonically much closer to my SSS alder Strat than my HH mohagany Gibson SG Std. That was not what I expected ...


trapper, a strat is a strat. with that said, try out the fender 72 thinline hollow body, still sounds like a tele. it comes equipped with humbuckers.

GT, hey man sounds like a real tone machine. i think it retains the charecteristics of a strat because, body,string length 25.5.
im definitely no expert.

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Amazingly, this guitar sounds quite a bit like a strat when played clean (albeit with the coil-tap activated).

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It's got a Duncan Custom 5 in the bridge and a Jazz neck for pups, 2 volume, 1 tone with 500k CTS pots and orange drop caps. The body is not a Kramer btw; It was made by hand at SouthEast Guitars. Warren is a magician!

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Joelski

How much for the guitar. The Kramer metal tele and the short lived Charvel metal tele are the only two guitars I've ever wanted.

Whats it going to take to buy it? (though I would prefer black :lol: )


Doh just saw the not original body bit. Sorry mate. Beaut guitar though.

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nikininja wrote:
Joelski

How much for the guitar. The Kramer metal tele and the short lived Charvel metal tele are the only two guitars I've ever wanted.

Whats it going to take to buy it? (though I would prefer black :lol: )


Doh just saw the not original body bit. Sorry mate. Beaut guitar though.


Niki: Due to present circumstances, I could definitely be persuaded to sell if the offer were a good one. Contact me via e-mail if you're interested and I'll shoot you more pics and details. :)

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nikininja wrote:

I wonder what Jeff Beck uses the SuperChamp XD for?
(Touching on the incognito rockstars thread on the lounge forum, If your here I really would like to know).
I bet given the problems he has with tinnitus that its home use.


Hey Nick,
Not trying to start an argument here by any means but I wanted to touch on that one comment because I was recently watching some Jeff Beck vids on Youtube...specifically from the '07 Crossroads show. Now before I get lambasted with flames here, let me say that I -am- a Jeff Beck fan...I truly do love a lot of the guy's older work. He really is a phenomenal guitarist to say the least. That said...and I honestly don't know what amp setup or anything he was using there but on the newer Beck vids I've seen, his tone was just awful. I was sitting here watching and even my wife made a comment about it...she's not a guitar player herself (even though she does play some bass) but she is a musician and she's lived with a guitar player for over 20 years now so she -does- know a little bit about tone. Jeff Beck's playing was of course sensational as always and that chick bass player he had working with him, Tal Wilkenfeld...she was just really amazing in her own right. But Beck's tone...again I don't know if he was playing through one of those SuperChamps there or not but it really was -bad- in my opinion. I'm used to hearing lush, full sound from Beck, not terribly dis-similar to David Gilmour and I was honestly a bit shocked when I watched those vids.

I do certainly agree with you in regards to playing "concerts" and playing in your bedroom however I would have to offer an addendum to that too. Ok...I can't speak for others but personally I expect a bit of "compromise" when it comes to using a practice amp in a small space. When I'm down in my basement studio practicing (or even in the living room which I do sometimes), yea...I'm using either my little Peavey Backstage or my more recent Fender Princeton 65R. In either of those cases I don't expect either amp to sound like my new Bugera, my old Lab L5 or my old Bandmaster cranked up at "stage volume". I'm -practicing-...not sitting there trying to wow myself by how great the amp sounds. Of course if I can get my playing to sound good thru those little amps, I -know- I'm going to sound good thru my "bigger guns" when I am working with the band.

To me a practice amp is just that...it's an amp you use for practice...and to me at least, practice is about improving your playing, not about how great your rig sounds. I don't really have much against those digital models either...you're right in that they do give you a great deal of tonal flexibility and there really are some wonderful toys there to play with however I would also reiterate that it's simply -not- the same as playing through the real deal...you'll never get the tone out of a "model" of a Marshall Stack (or Twin or Mesa or anything else) as you will from the real thing. No...I'm not saying that people should always have their Marshall stacks cranked for practice...you're correct in that you're -really- going to PO your neighbors at the very least, but again practice is practice and that's a very different thing from "playing live". As a carpenter might say, "the right tools for the right job"...you don't use a jack hammer or even an 18 lb sledge to put a 5 penny nail in a wall to hang a picture but you don't expect your little claw hammer to be able to smash concrete either.

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Hey Jim, what exactly do u mean by Beck´s tone being "awful"?? Too trebly, too bassy, thin, fat, can u be more specific?
BTW, I see he´s using a Marshall and to me his tone is beautiful, vintage and perfect for a Strat Master he is.
How can anyone judge "Tone"?? We all have differet preferences.


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What I do know is that Jeff Beck suffers terribly from tinitus. Last I heard he was using JTM45 heads with all the bass dropped out on the eq. In my experience (which is nowhere near the same level as his or his soundpeople), when you cant start with a good basic sound your always going to be struggling. No matter what technology your re-amping with.
He endorses the superchamp xd along with a couple of Gdec's and the 57Twin, whether he uses it at home or in studio, I dont know.
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As for bedroom levels I think most modellers give a better cranked marshall, mesa or fender tone than the actual amps do. In that circumstance all the sound pressure in such a small place is horrible, painfull and muddies the sound.
For instance take a cranked bassman in a typical 20x20ft bedroom. Its going to be painfull to use to its full extent. If you take a 5watt vibrochamp like mine you can get a great cranked bassman type sound that you can use. The most you really ever need to do is compensate for bad speakers that usually come with those amps.


One thing I have really got back into for metal is running a multieffects straight into the effects return of my marshall. The power amp is the only thing colouring the sound. The multieffects takes the volume right down, but the poweramp is still cooking. Its even good at bedroom volumes in that circumstance.

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bluesstrattone wrote:
... i think it retains the charecteristics of a strat because, body,string length 25.5 ...

Very succint and well said.

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Re: (Trapperdoo) SSS Strats sound - One of the cooler threads at this forum was how versatile the Fender Stratocaster is, which is the antithesis of the strat being pigeonholed into one sound.

Thus, I would submit to you that there is no one sound to the stratocaster, which has made it my favorite guitar.

The HSS Stratocaster can do blues, gritty 60's blues-rock, 70's punk and stadium rock, 80's Hard Rock and Shred, 90's Grunge (so sorry Joelski), 00's Nu Metal....etc.

I bought this guitar, which Fender does indeed define it as a Stratocaster, and it does everything!

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FYI I also use a Line6 Spider 3 amp, and I will submit that there is always a give and take.

This amp allows you to hear many amp models at a 7/10 level, which is perfect for players trying to experiment with different sounds. It also sounds much better than a tube amp inside a small room while you work on your chops - tubes need some power behind them (i.e. volume) to sound great, and that's usually not an option for those of us with roommates, families, neighbors etc.

I know my Wife and 5 & 7 year old daughters would rate my Line6 a 10/10 compared to having to hear me play through a Marshall Tube stack, so it's all relative I guess.

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Re: (Trapperdoo) SSS Strats sound - One of the cooler threads at this forum was how versatile the Fender Stratocaster is, which is the antithesis of the strat being pigeonholed into one sound.

Thus, I would submit to you that there is no one sound to the stratocaster, which has made it my favorite guitar.

The HSS Stratocaster can do blues, gritty 60's blues-rock, 70's punk and stadium rock, 80's Hard Rock and Shred, 90's Grunge (so sorry Joelski), 00's Nu Metal....etc.

I bought this guitar, which Fender does indeed define it as a Stratocaster, and it does everything!

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FYI I also use a Line6 Spider 3 amp, and I will submit that there is always a give and take.

This amp allows you to hear many amp models at a 7/10 level, which is perfect for players trying to experiment with different sounds. It also sounds much better than a tube amp inside a small room while you work on your chops - tubes need some power behind them (i.e. volume) to sound great, and that's usually not an option for those of us with roommates, families, neighbors etc.

I know my Wife and 5 & 7 year old daughters would rate my Line6 a 10/10 compared to having to hear me play through a Marshall Tube stack, so it's all relative I guess.

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I have the same guitar and LOVE it! Excellente.

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didn't billy corgan play a strat ???


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