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Waiting for kon'g next installment.

BTW the guy who runs the place kong got his lacquer from is playing Bass in this vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMzmSLYa ... r_embedded

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Waiting for kon'g next installment.


Cool vid, Twelvebar.

Just waiting for favorable conditions to shoot the lacquer. I've got to wait for some less humid days as I'm working outside.

I was reading up on spraying the metallic Sherwood Green and from what I can gather it will go on quite rough almost furry. I'm supposed to vary my spraying pattern as I go to get the metallic particles to stand at different angles. Then 2-3 hours after my final coat of green I'm supposed to shoot 4 coats of clear to lock in the metallic green.

I'm not quite sure if I'm supposed to sand after the 4 coats of clear, but I know I'm supposed to do another 6 coats of clear after the initial 4. Something like 3 coats a day for 2 days with an hour or 2 between. Then I set the body aside for the lacquer to cure for about 30 days and then the fun task of wet-sanding out all of the orange peel and polishing to a mirror-like shine (hopefully).

If anyone has any insights or tips to add to this, please feel free and remember this is my first attempt at re-finishing anything. I want to take my best shot at getting this right so I really do appreciate any advice from the more experienced among us.

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after spraying your metallic coats, your clear coats should be misted on, very thin, or they will melt in and weigh down the metallic flake. That would make the flakes lay flat, and they won't sparkle.. You'll want to do all 4 coats thin like that, to lock the flakes in place. the first 4 coats should be very very thin. Then for your regular clear coats shoot a little less thin for each following coat.

Don't sand. Due to the uneveness of the metallic flake you need to build up a lot of clear so you can level it out, without danger of sanding through to the metallic layers. If you sand through, it will be exceedingly hard to do a spot repair, in fact it usually means doing a complete sand down and refinish.I wouldn't be afraid to even shoot a couple more coats than suggested. First timers tend to sand off a lot more finish, when wet sanding. It's just a matter of practice. But even experienced finishers sand off more than you think when levelling, by wet sanding. Wet sanding will be a real bear, the nature of the metallic layer means lots of orange peel, normally due care in spraying can control how flat you lay your lacquer, but in this case you want the base metallic layer to be as random as possible, and you make it possible to level by using a lot more clear than usual, so you can sand flat without sanding though.

So save your sanding until you have done not only the 4 or so mist coats, but also your regular clear coats. Nitro lacquer will melt into the earlier layers. so don't worry about sanding on this project until all your lacquer is on the guitar.

Don't apply anymore pressure when you wet sand than the weight of your sanding block.

In Twelvebar's world, the 30 day wait is the bare minimum. after 30 days give you guitar the fingernail test in a discrete area, if you can indent it, set it aside for another week, then check again. Because you will have a lot more lacquer on this than you would on a more basic paintjob, I would be surprised if it really is fully cured in 30 days, so don't be discouraged if it takes longer.

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Twelvebar wrote:

I wouldn't be afraid to even shoot a couple more coats than suggested. First timers tend to sand off a lot more finish, when wet sanding. It's just a matter of practice. But even experienced finishers sand off more than you think when leveling, by wet sanding.

So save your sanding until you have done not only the 4 or so mist coats, but also your regular clear coats. Nitro lacquer will melt into the earlier layers. so don't worry about sanding on this project until all your lacquer is on the guitar.

Don't apply anymore pressure when you wet sand than the weight of your sanding block.


Thanks again 12b, this gives me a very clear idea of the steps involved. Guys like you make this place a gold mine. Thanks to all of the others who have given advice or well wishes on the thread as well. This is definitely the best guitar forum on the web. I'll probably shoot a few extra coats of clear based on your advice.

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Kong when you're ready for each step, keep asking questions, there's people that'll help ya. A few of us can give you some good advice on how to approach wetsanding.

I can't wait to see your finished guitar, a worthy project for sure, always nice to see something saved that might have otherwise been destined for the ashcan. :wink:

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Looking good, and TwelveBar, fantastic advice. You've given me the confidence to give something like this a crack....

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I saw the weather report and decided to take the afternoon off to shoot the color onto the body. I'm going to wait about an hour and then mist on the clear coat to lock in the metallic finish.

Here are a few pics of the raw color coat on the body. I'm very happy with the color so far. I did keep a rag in my free hand to wipe the nozzle clear every few minutes. I thought the spray misted quite nicely and I did not get any blobs of paint on the body. I painted it with the body laying flat with blocks in the cavities. I was almost constantly shaking the can and I changed my spray angle by walking around the table as I sprayed.

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Holy crap - Kong man, that looks great!!!

Knockout job, dude. Keep it up to that standard and you're home and dry!

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Holy crap - Kong man, that looks great!!!

Knockout job, dude. Keep it up to that standard and you're home and dry!

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Ceri - thanks so much, it means a lot to me! :oops:

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Holy crap - Kong man, that looks great!!!

Knockout job, dude. Keep it up to that standard and you're home and dry!

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Ceri - thanks so much, it means a lot to me! :oops:


High five, fella! It's going to be epic!

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Man, you can't even remotely detect that F. Rose trem cavity. Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

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Good thing I finished spraying when I did. The landscapers showed up and are mowing the grass. Could have been a real mess if I didn't hear them coming and was out spraying!

Now I've got to wait 'til they leave to hit it with the clear.

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Ceri wrote:
Holy crap - Kong man, that looks great!!!

Knockout job, dude. Keep it up to that standard and you're home and dry!

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I couldn't say it any better!!

A lot of people have trouble laying down the metallic coats, especially the first time. yours is looking absolutely killer!!!

just fight the inner urge we all have to hurry, and you will have one hell of a pretty guitar!!!

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Lovin' the metallic, Kong. Nicely done! 8)

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