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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:40 am
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Just have to jump in here and state that a volume treble bleed circuit has nothing in common with a Tone control greasebucket other than they both use capacitors and resistors (as do all electronics).

They perform completely different functions.

I keep seeing people using the terms interchangeably (although this post just said “Similar to”)


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I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


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Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.

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soggycrow wrote:
If you remove the tone capacitor and leave an open in the circuit, your tone control will become useless. It will do nothing.

If you remove the tone capacitor and short across where it used to be, your tone control will become a volume control.

If your tone control as is is at full (i.e. not rolled off) and you think it sounds dark or muddy it is more likely that your potentiometers are not at the right value, at least for you. As a general thumb rule, use 500's for humbuckers and 250's for single coils.


This helped me understand it much better, thanks!

By the way, got the Fender amp book, The Soul of Tone for my birthday. That book has a WHOLE lot of information about electronics. A great read.


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CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


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Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


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therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


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Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


Personally I do not find either mod that effective.

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Treble bleed works fine, but some players like the treble roll off when you turn down.


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CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


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Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


Personally I do not find either mod that effective.
So your saying that changing the tone cap value isn't effective??


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therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


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Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


Personally I do not find either mod that effective.
So your saying that changing the tone cap value isn't effective??


We are talking 2 different things here.

Changing the tone cap value is effective. And My personal opinion on the treble bleed and greasebucket circuits being not effective.

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eddie_bowers wrote:
Treble bleed works fine, but some players like the treble roll off when you turn down.
I don't. I just want my volume pot to do just that. To turn down the volume. And my tone pots to roll off the treble. When I turn the volume pot down even to 7 or 8 the treble roll off ridiculas!


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:31 am
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therise123, you are right

I wrote Mallory Orange drop ! I make a mistake , it's Sprague Orange drop

Sorry. But Mallory are good to

Metropolis74 , Thank's, You find it . That'is the mod.


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CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


AND

Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


Personally I do not find either mod that effective.
So your saying that changing the tone cap value isn't effective??


We are talking 2 different things here.

Aha! I've just read a similar thread about the treble bleed mod. And that to retain the highs when the volume is rolled there is a subtle loss in mids and bottom end aswel. So that's clinched it for me I'll leave it alone and stick with the cap value change. Maybe .022 .033 .047 I have custom 69 pickups and I like a bright crisp tone. Maybe the .033 best of both?

Changing the tone cap value is effective. And My personal opinion on the treble bleed and greasebucket circuits being not effective.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:56 am
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therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
therise123 wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
I recommend the Mallory 150 Series Capacitors. You can find them here: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/elec ... allory.htm


AND

Personally I would not go with a treble bleed or greasebucket circuit. I just don't think they are all that good.
I thought that the treble bleed mod was to prevent the loss of highs when rolling back the volume? Or is the mod not that effective? I no the treble bleed and tone cap are different I just thought ide sly the question in because I was getting some great answers hehe


Personally I do not find either mod that effective.
So your saying that changing the tone cap value isn't effective??


We are talking 2 different things here.

Aha! I've just read a similar thread about the treble bleed mod. And that to retain the highs when the volume is rolled there is a subtle loss in mids and bottom end aswel. So that's clinched it for me I'll leave it alone and stick with the cap value change. Maybe .022 .033 .047 I have custom 69 pickups and I like a bright crisp tone. Maybe the .033 best of both?

Changing the tone cap value is effective. And My personal opinion on the treble bleed and greasebucket circuits being not effective.


Personally I would go with .022 for all.

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stratele52 wrote:
therise123, you are right

I wrote Mallory Orange drop ! I make a mistake , it's Sprague Orange drop

Sorry. But Mallory are good to

Metropolis74 , Thank's, You find it . That'is the mod.
Thanks I'll give them a go. It's either sprague orange drop. Mallory 150 or vitaminQ in either .022 .033 .047 I think .033 best of both. I don't wanna try loads of different ones because it means me stripping the guitar down everytime and I'm almost obsessive about it's setup


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eddie_bowers wrote:
Just have to jump in here and state that a volume treble bleed circuit has nothing in common with a Tone control greasebucket other than they both use capacitors and resistors (as do all electronics).

They perform completely different functions.

I keep seeing people using the terms interchangeably (although this post just said “Similar to”)


Eddie, I stand corrected. Thanks for opinting that out. I forgot that "treble bleed" mod is done to the Volume pot, while the "greasebucket" is on the Tone pot. Yes two seperate functions.

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Not to toot my own horn but...toot toot! Just kidding.

I know $120 may sound expensive, but I recently made the switch to a Toneshaper SSS-1 Switching system for my guitar, http://www.acmeguitarworks.com/ToneShaper_for_Stratocaster__P2032C218.cfm, and so far I like it, their website list 5 different tone cap combinations but their is really 38 (way too many), not to mention the 2 different volume kits (really 3) or none, however you prefer. You can run your pickups, normal, blender, or parallel, use vintage wiring, modern wiring. Really cool is no need to solder anything. I can try a ton of different pickup combinations quickly and not break out the soldering iron. The only thing I don't like is to make some adjustments, you will have to destring and pull your pickguard off, though I have managed to make some adjustments by loosening the pickguard and just barely reaching the sliders with something pointy.

**Disclaimer- I am no way affiliated with (ACME) Toneshaper, though I wish I was because then I would have job.

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