What was John Mayer thinking?

budglo · **Joined:** Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:17 pm **Posts:** 1986

therise123 wrote:

budglo wrote:

Difference is John Lennon never degraded an entire race.BTW his "We are more popular than Jesus " comment bit him in the backside in a big way.Made alot of people mad and wasnt a positive career move. :wink:

Ha ha.good point man. Unless you regard the entire working class population as a race

Which nobody does. :wink:

fhopkins · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:27 am

edited by Hop. There was no need for me to make a statement like that! :oops:

63supro · **Joined:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 8827

IMO, Rude and arrogant is one thing, but making racist statements in popular magazine interviews is just stupid. He seems like he's trying to mess up his career like Pee Wee Herman.

Budglo, Dave Mathews would be a good choice, it's just about the same music. Seems like Mayer got his chick music act from him.

You know what would be funny, John Mayer and Jonny Lange forming a bad and calling it "The New Faces".

therise123 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm **Posts:** 112

fhopkins wrote:

Comparing Lennon to Mayer is a Joke. Mayer is not a pimple on Lennon's arse!!

I wasn't comparing them! Not in a musical sense anyway. You can't deny that they've both made comments that deep down I think they wish they hadn't

fhopkins · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:57 am

therise123 wrote:

fhopkins wrote:

edited-see above Hop

I wasn't comparing them! Not in a musical sense anyway. You can't deny that they've both made comments that deep down I think they wish they hadn't

This is true probably. Sorry if I sounded negative or argumentative! Not my style! :wink:

therise123 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm **Posts:** 112

budglo wrote:

therise123 wrote:

budglo wrote:

Difference is John Lennon never degraded an entire race.BTW his "We are more popular than Jesus " comment bit him in the backside in a big way.Made alot of people mad and wasnt a positive career move. :wink:

Ha ha.good point man. Unless you regard the entire working class population as a race

Which nobody does. :wink:

This countrys goverment seperated it's classes with a butchers knife mate!!! Trust me maybe race is the wrong word but when the pit strike was on during thatchers rain as priminister the working class were init by themselves and still are today. I the word race is fitting

soggycrow · **Joined:** Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:57 am **Posts:** 602

Some people are confused about the First Amendment in the United States. It is far from complete protection from the consequences of speech. In most cases you cannot be prosecuted in a court of law for your speech. Even then there are limits, the most famous example of which is that you may not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. "Fighting Words" are also not protected. And, increasingly, "hate speech," whatever that is, is not protected.

But outside of criminal courts you may very well be subject to a wide variety of legal responses as a result of your speech. If John Mayer's statements ruin his career, the First Amendment is not offended. If you have a public argument with your boss, you may not be protected (but maybe you will be). If your T-shirt violates the school dress code, you may not be protected (although once again maybe you are). But even when things like this do get to a court, it's a civil matter, not criminal.

So the First Amendment protects you from criminal prosecution.

therise123 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm **Posts:** 112

fhopkins wrote:

therise123 wrote:

fhopkins wrote:

Comparing Lennon to Mayer is a Joke. Mayer is not a pimple on Lennon's arse!!

I wasn't comparing them! Not in a musical sense anyway. You can't deny that they've both made comments that deep down I think they wish they hadn't

This is true probably. Sorry if I sounded negative or argumentative! Not my style! :wink:

No man it's cool. No worries

fhopkins · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:19 am

therise123 wrote:

fhopkins wrote:

therise123 wrote:

[quote="fhopkins edited by Hop see above

I wasn't comparing them! Not in a musical sense anyway. You can't deny that they've both made comments that deep down I think they wish they hadn't

This is true probably. Sorry if I sounded negative or argumentative! Not my style! :wink:

No man it's cool. No worries[/quote]

Good. Peace and harmony is a good thing!

therise123 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm **Posts:** 112

nikininja wrote:

Yeah mate I agree with you, the bloke should be allowed his say.

I for one despise all law, I'm a complete nihilist. The sad fact is that laws exist for our protection and control. Otherwise Mayer would be far more likely to receive a more physical backlash. The previous comment I made was more highlighting how freedom of speech isn't a truth of the modern world. Than in some way equating Mayer to the war.

Mayer should be glad its just a bunch of nobody's on the internet turning this one over. I'm trying to be objective and all I can think is that if this happened before the rise of the internet. It would have ended his career outright. Can you imagine what The Mirror would have made of the statement in say 1988?

Yeah man haha good point. It's safe to say times have changed a bit lol

I think bringing Lennon in as an example is a good one. Lennon was usually a bit acidic, witty and jaded in his interviews. Mayer seems to have tried to take on the same attributes but isnt as capable of making himself understood. It comes of as obnoxious, snotty incoherence. Hence my previous comments of inane ramblings and should let his PR people write his answers.

budglo · **Joined:** Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:17 pm **Posts:** 1986

63supro wrote:

IMO, Rude and arrogant is one thing, but making racist statements in popular magazine interviews is just stupid. He seems like he's trying to mess up his career like Pee Wee Herman.

Budglo, Dave Mathews would be a good choice, it's just about the same music. Seems like Mayer got his chick music act from him.

You know what would be funny, John Mayer and Jonny Lange forming a bad and calling it "The New Faces".

Ha Supro, I always thought they sounded alike.I wonder if John Mayer is "waiting for the world to change"? :lol:

jnastyNE · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:24 pm

Is this thing still going?
I am not a JM fan in any form, but dang.....the guy is a rock-star. Last I heard rock-stars are not known for their tact and sensitivity. I say stupid things all the time. If I was a famous rocker, I would probably still say stupid things. Maybe not quite as dumb as JM's playboy interview (I just read it for the articles

), but I without doubt, I would be on the record for some ill-advised comments.
It doesn’t change a thing. JM lovers will still love him, and haters will still hate. Meanwhile I applaud his success as a business man, but not as a musician. I am much more worried about what this world is coming to if a doped up pop star can’t even talk out of his %$$ without everyone getting their shorts in a knot.

therise123 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm **Posts:** 112

jnastyNE wrote:

Is this thing still going?
I am not a JM fan in any form, but dang.....the guy is a rock-star. Last I heard rock-stars are not known for their tact and sensitivity. I say stupid things all the time. If I was a famous rocker, I would probably still say stupid things. Maybe not quite as dumb as JM's playboy interview (I just read it for the articles

), but I without doubt, I would be on the record for some ill-advised comments.
It doesn’t change a thing. JM lovers will still love him, and haters will still hate. Meanwhile I applaud his success as a business man, but not as a musician. I am much more worried about what this world is coming to if a doped up pop star can’t even talk out of his %$$ without everyone getting their shorts in a knot.

My friend your a legend!!! That's what I've been saying all day on this thread

Toliver-Lyons · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:28 pm

therise123 wrote:

jnastyNE wrote:

Is this thing still going?
I am not a JM fan in any form, but dang.....the guy is a rock-star. Last I heard rock-stars are not known for their tact and sensitivity. I say stupid things all the time. If I was a famous rocker, I would probably still say stupid things. Maybe not quite as dumb as JM's playboy interview (I just read it for the articles

), but I without doubt, I would be on the record for some ill-advised comments.
It doesn’t change a thing. JM lovers will still love him, and haters will still hate. Meanwhile I applaud his success as a business man, but not as a musician. I am much more worried about what this world is coming to if a doped up pop star can’t even talk out of his %$$ without everyone getting their shorts in a knot.

My friend your a legend!!! That's what I've been saying all day on this thread

Just a question that bears asking....if no one like this thread why is everyone coming back to the thread going "is this thing still here?" or "That's what I've been saying all day on this thread" :shock:

jnastyNE and therise123..this is NOT directed to you or anyone in particular....I just thought it was funny and worth mentioning! and jnastyNE I agree with that point but stupid comments(see George Bush) and career suicide (see Tiger Woods) is two different things...is it not? what is your definition of doped up musician...Kurt Cobain or Ray Charles...or Rick James Or Amy Winehouse.....different but the same......

guitslinger · **Posted:** Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:39 pm

John Lennon's comments about "being more popular than Jesus"were misconstrued from the start.He explained in an interview many years later that he made the statement more as a commentary on the state of the world at the time.What he had meant by it was that in this day and age religion had taken such a back seat that a rock band-he just used the Beatles as an example-would most likely attract more people than Jesus would,probably not the best example but then sadly possibly true.

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