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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:38 am
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i experienced this once and it was gory!
was playing with some friends in front of about 30ish people and got I sliced by my neck and blood went everywhere...Didn't hurt though ha:) so thankful for that.

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Never heard of winter/summer issues. Unless you're keeping the guitar in the garage, exposing it to cold tempetures (which by the way, metal contracts, not expands in the cold) Wood needs mositure or lack there of to expand or contrast. Unless the finish is a thin nitro, moisture shouldn't even be an issue.

Hi DetroitBlues: sounds good in theory, but in fact fret sprout in winter is a well recognised phenomenon. Metal contracts in cold - but wood moves more.

Likely, the inside of the house this guitar lives in isn't changing in temperature a lot between summer and winter, so metal isn't contracting and expanding much. However, the humidity is changing and that is what does the trick.

Finish or no finish it is to do with the moisture in the timber - and this is also what leads to the cracking and "crazing" of some less plyable body finishes. Famously some batches of slightly badly mixed nitro in the past have been more brittle and so cracked in this way.

Bizarrely of course that is one of the very effects relic'ers now sometimes seek to immitate. It's an odd world.

Though I've never yet heard of relic'ers trying to replicate fret sprout... :lol:

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If that was true, how come it doesn't ruin binding on bound necks? It would seem the binding would be pushed out or cracked during winter/summer?


Hi again DetroitBlues: well that is exactly what can happen, yes. Always worth checking budget guitars with bound necks for tell-tale bulges in the binding at the fret ends.

However, there is a standard way to prevent it during manufacture. The fret tang is cut back from the end. That can be done by grinding it off, or using a fret tang nipper, or other gizmos. For example:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Speci ... 3&xsr=2173

- and:

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproduc ... moval+Tool

Yet another reason why Les Pauls cost more than Strats - because that process takes time.

Sometimes the tangs can be cut back on unbound Fender necks too. For example, it has been done on my Korean Lite Ash Telecaster and the little gaps that are left at the visible end of the fret slots filled with tiny slivers of maple. And the same has been done on a Fender-style Strat neck I once bought from WD Music.

No fret sprout on those necks, ever! And another point in favor of Fender's Korean operation...

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I have this with my 72 thinline Tele and have never been able to get rid of it. Every other guitar i bought that was from Arizona or that region came with it but after a month it disappeared never to return. Not the case with the 72 and the way the necks are on I think it will be a hard problem for even a great luthier not to scratch the finish.


Eh-hem...

With all due modesty, not for me. :)

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If that was true, how come it doesn't ruin binding on bound necks? It would seem the binding would be pushed out or cracked during winter/summer?


Oh, but it most definitely does in extreme cases. The binding splits and begins to separate from the guitar. FWIW, those guitars that are bound (most of the high-end ones any way) have fingerboards and necks which were appropriately allowed to season and age. Couple this with the binding being of a softer plastic which does have some 'give'. The amount of warranty claims that say, Gibson for example would have to field would be astronomical otherwise.

Consider too: During the winter months, many a guitar is subjected to many different climates and humidities, so to speak. For example: Transporting the instrument from the environment of the player's home to the environment of the gig, the environment of the gig itself, transporting it back in yet another environment; to and from the environment of rehearsals, etc. As a matter of fact (and not blowing my own horn but merely to reinforce my point), I serviced three guitars today alone with this problem. Fortunately, none of them were bound.

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i was playing with some friends in front of about 30ish people and got I sliced by my neck and blood went everywhere....


That sounds like a great show!

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ClassicRock92 wrote:
i experienced this once and it was gory!
was playing with some friends in front of about 30ish people and got I sliced by my neck and blood went everywhere...Didn't hurt though ha:) so thankful for that.


You should have immediately segued into, "Let It Bleed" and people would have thought it to be part of the show.

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I just purchased a '62 Vintage Reissue Strat from Long & Mcquade in Oshawa Ont. a week before Christmas. I had the same problem as I paid nearly $2000.00 Canadian for it and it was driving me crazy. As I got a free set-up for the purchase and a 30 day return policy I took it to the in-store tech and he filed all the edges on both sides of the fret board. Now, when I run my thumb along the fretboard it's as smooth as my Custom Classic Tele. I was a little leary as how it would look after he finished with it but you'd never know it had been touched. I was very impressed with the work he did on it. My advice is to take it to a good guitar repair man at a good music store where you live and have the same thing done. I'm very happy with my Vintage Strat, now.

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Funny enough, I have this to a small degree on my '09 MIM Strat (Fortunately, I don't really notice it when I'm playing.), but not on my '09 Am. Std. Jazz Bass (both with maple fretboards), which made me wonder if it was indeed a matter of MIM vs. MIA quality control as they are both brand new, and have been kept in the same exact environment.


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I noticed that StewMac, in their catalog have a "fret-finishing" file which is a stick about the size of a pencil which has on it small circular strips of various grade sandpaper. I put in to buy one, less than $10. I'll give that a go.

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I solved the problem by installing a humidifier when I replaced the HVAC system in my house. Humans need the moisture as much as guitars, plus I don't know that I'd dress fret ends to correct a seasonal issue. Fixing the air rather than everything affected by it seems a much better solution.

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I just let my guitar live in the shower room for a week and fret sprout was cleared up.

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Last year, I had the idea of having my frets sanded. But a professional told me it was really more of a seasonal thing and would clear up when it got warmer.

And really, he wasn't kidding. By the following summer, the neck was as smooth as warm butter. :roll:


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tyronne wrote:
I noticed that StewMac, in their catalog have a "fret-finishing" file which is a stick about the size of a pencil which has on it small circular strips of various grade sandpaper. I put in to buy one, less than $10. I'll give that a go.

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Well I got my Fret Dressing Stick today in the mail.
Cool little tool...4 different grit of sandpaper.
I did a few frets already and I'm pleased with the results. I won't take them down all the way yet. But I took off a good amount and the difference is noticeable. Worth the $10...I did buy some other things too for a project guitar.

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...my Strat ('08 American Standard, maple board), the fret ends felt much more pronounced than they ever had before.
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This is proof positive to the MIA die hards that MIAs are not immune to fret sprout either.

Now what do you all have to say about MIA woods grade, Fender QC and several hundred dollars more than a MIM, hmmm?

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Martian wrote:
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...my Strat ('08 American Standard, maple board), the fret ends felt much more pronounced than they ever had before.
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This is proof positive to the MIA die hards that MIAs are not immune to fret sprout either.

Now what do you all have to say about MIA woods grade, Fender QC and several hundred dollars more than a MIM, hmmm?



Oh, you're going to create a firestorm with that comment Martian! :lol:

I have a '08 MIM Strat with no fret sprout and a '09 MIM Special Run Tele with fret sprout. Well used to anyway...this little tool I bought really is taking care of that and I'm curious what it will feel like after a New England Summer.

I was in GC in Boston this week ( huge store! ) and picked up a lot of different Strats on display. Some MIM, some MIA. Also some Squiers. I came across some MIA with sprout and some Squiers without! As well as some MIM with and without. I asked the Sales person and he acknowledged that I would see that. He said it showed how old the wood was ("green"), and also how long it had cured. He said that if I bought the guitar there they would take care of it by sanding the frets before I picked up the guitar to take home. If it happened after I bought the guitar, it would cost $30 to sand the frets down.

So bottom-line, it seems that the place of origin of manufacture has little to do with fret QC. Possibly the rest of the guitar too. I really have little complaints about the two MIM Fenders I have.

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