the cs 69s in position 2 & 4 dont quite have the quack i like, sounds kinda muffled, too muffled.
sounds great in 1/3/5.

i adjusted pickup height that didnt work.

however, this guitar may have been poorly wired, the middle pu wire is too tight causing the middle pickup to have a 10 15 degrees angle toward bridge.

IMO, its quite signiificant when dealing with magnetism.

i should have it rewired or at least adjusted. as soon as i have time, i will try to post pics.

thanks for your help in advance.

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

I put the CS 69s in my strat. I do not ever use position 2 or 4 cause they suck! I put in a blender pot and the neck + the bridge sound pretty cool together, if you are trying to find more combinations.

i use the 2/4 positions in my am strat, and it sounds good.
on my am deluxe, fantastic.
on my hwy 1, pretty cool.
but on my cp 60s, it really sucks.
and thats with the tone to 10, sound muddy, and muffled and only sound good with alot of overdrive. but cleans, .
im even considering taking them out and installing texas specials.
or some dimarzios virtual vintage or some area's.
but like i said earlier positions 1,3 ,5 sound great, just that some songs i do sound way better doing some rhythm parts with quack in them, and lead well you get the idea.

maybe bigjay has some suggestions.....

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

Wow, I've heard, "weak, ear piercing, clanky, ice-picky, void of any midrange, lame, anemic, etc." but NEVER, "muffled" and/or "muddy" when players describe the CS 69s tonality as these are the most clean and trebly, pedigreed pickups that Fender makes! This is really a new one on me!!

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Thats a first for me also. I had a cp60 and loved the 2 and 4 position. I mostly play in the 2 position for rythem

I once read that lowering the mid pickup with respect to the neck and bridge one gives you the best quack sound.

Dan

Also, nicked plated steel strings might help if thats not what you have.

Dan

yeah, your telling me. could it be that the mid pickup is angled back towards the bridge pickup about 10, 15 degrees.
it does sound more muffled in positions 2 and 4 ,mind you, than any other of my strats.
could it be faulty pickups then?

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

No, if they were faulty, they'd sound even more, "weak, ear piercing, clanky, ice-picky, void of any midrange, lame, anemic, etc." and that's if there was still any sound coming out of them at all.

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what about the angle on the mid pickup, does that have an effect?
ok, so they are not weak, mid range, and tone is great in all other positions.

maybe i shoud try adjusting the pickup height some more then, huh?

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

The angle of the pickup alters the magnetic field of the pickup. So, it is the equivalent of the pickup responding as if it wer ever so slightly lower than where it literally is on the pickguard. Further, if the side of the cover is pressing on the pickups coils, you are introducing what is called, "eddy currents" into the coil. In this particular situation, eddy currents will ramp up the capacitance in the coil and make it sound a bit bassier. Redo the wiring in their correctly and then:

Do this and see if you can live with it: Adjust all three pickups so the bass side is about two nickels' thickness away from the strings and with the high E side, about one nickel's worth.

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I like the 2 and 4 positions, but I'd agree 1,3,5 are all much better sounding. I think the 2/4 sound great though, very clean, very interesting. I don't hear muddy. Compared to my MIM std you can really hear the guitar itself, sharp and beautiful. If I was going to build or upgrade a guitar, I think I would go CS 69s again in a heartbeat, I just adore my CP60s

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thanks martian, that does really help and explain, the plastic cover is pushing the poles alittle.
i will rewire it and do alittle shielding also.

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

You're welcome.

Shielding is a complete waste of time and money, don't bother.

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