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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:11 pm
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Vintage guitar : strings/chord/vintage tube-amp and someone who can
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thegigman0 wrote:
Alright if thats your opinion then lets go buy a 5k custom shop guitar and give to a kid whos never touch a guitar in his life nd see if he start play like jimmy page :x


Come on man, thats quite a leap from what was being said here.

Fact is I've read several articles over the last few years stating that the reverance for vintage guitars, while nice and all, is misplaced. There's also a reverance for 50's and 60's cars but we all know that by today's standards they weren't well made at all. I love a 67 GTO but the truth is they had horrible handling, non-exsistant braking, rattled like a can of bolts and required constant work after they were just a few years old. Now they go for big bucks. It's pretty much the same for guitars or any other mass produced product. Todays manufacturing techniques are just that much better. They allow for tighter tolerances, a more consistant product.

Of course there are some great vintage guitars, but on the whole an AmDeluxe strat bought today will be a superior instrument to most examples of a pre CBS strat....for one hell of a lot cheaper.

I'd be willing to pay $30,000 for a 65 Mustang GT 350 but I know I'm paying for vintage vibe, for the coolness of it all. I could easily get a modern mustang for less and it will handle better, be safer, be more reliable and require far less maintenence. It just wouldn't be anywhere near as cool.

I think thats all we're really saying here.

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cryingstrat wrote:
thegigman0 wrote:
I'd be willing to pay $30,000 for a 65 Mustang GT 350 but I know I'm paying for vintage vibe, for the coolness of it all. I could easily get a modern mustang for less and it will handle better, be safer, be more reliable and require far less maintenence. It just wouldn't be anywhere near as cool.

I think thats all we're really saying here.


Exactly! Well,......... that and the part about the firewood. :lol:


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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:23 pm
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I bought my first electric guitar in 1963 - a new Fender Esquire (bottom of the Fender line) for $90. It beat the crap out of the Hagstroms, Epiphones, Gibson SG's and Flying V's that my guitar playing friends had. The difference was as much the amplifier as the guitar. I played through a Princeton and later a '68 Bassman stack. In '72, I bought an ash natural finish Strat that was the envy of everyone I knew. Very light with great sound. But there still wasn't much competition. I beat the hell out of that Strat over the years. Cigarette burns, scratches, nicks, and the clearcoat was 95% gone. Bought an '84 Japanese Strat, took great care of it and played it until 2004 when I bought a US Butterscotch Strat HSS with S1 switching which I still play. But the competition has increased dramatically over the years and some have matched or surpassed Fender's popularity, especially among young players. Recently, I pulled out my old '72 Strat from under my bed where it has resided for well over 20 years. I took it to a guitar expo because admission was free if you brought an instrument. Some guy walked up to me and asked me what I had in the case. I told him I had a beat up '72 Strat and described the condition. He offered me $2500.00 cash sight unseen for it. I can assure everyone that I could buy a guitar today for 1/3 of that which is superior to that Strat when it was new. So I took his money and walked out of that expo with $2500.00 (not to mention the free admission). Let me tell you, too many people are watching Antiques Roadshow!


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Vintage vibe is still cool 8)

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You read about all of these big time players who will play only vintage models. What they don't tell you is that their guitar techs tear them apart and rebuild and modify them. They believe that only the old vintage models are cool to play, but it's only the body that old, everything else is replaced. People who buy them are people who have way too much money and want to brag about having these models in their collections. It's not just Strats, Teles of Les Pauls. How about the jazz guitars like the L-5, and D’Angelico’s. I guess it's all GAS on another level.


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vcartier wrote:
You read about all of these big time players who will play only vintage models. What they don't tell you is that their guitar techs tear them apart and rebuild and modify them. They believe that only the old vintage models are cool to play, but it's only the body that old, everything else is replaced. People who buy them are people who have way too much money and want to brag about having these models in their collections. It's not just Strats, Teles of Les Pauls. How about the jazz guitars like the L-5, and D’Angelico’s. I guess it's all GAS on another level.


Ahh...now the D'Angelico's an L-5's are works of art. A much different story then an old slab of solid wood. They were crafted by old world luthiers...by hand. Old violin makers producing beautiful large jazz boxes. Now those I'd pay the big bucks for.

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Fire wood? probably not


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Ronnie Earl plays Custom Shop Relics because he says his vintage guitars are just too valuable to take out on gigs now. He also says that the CS guitars are so good, you can't tell the difference. I think I trust Ronnie's opinion on this one. He's one smokin' player!


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not all vintage guitars are firewood...
if you take good care of them they well be just fine..

my dad own's a 73' gibson les paul custom he bought it new in 73' and has kept it all since its all original and in good shape here we take good care of our guitars it plays like a new custom... i dont play that much do im' more a strat guy 8)

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the majority of the best selling strats are modeled after vintage guitars, i know that.


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Vintage all the way. It's like choosing between a priceless mustang boss or fast back for a new mustang. The old dog will kick the new dogs butt any day. 8)


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Having owned a '63 Strat, it is my observation that 40 or 50 years after the fact the original design does show it's age somewhat. Consider though that for their time they were, and are revolutionary guitar/bass designs that have formed the foundation for the guitars we know and enjoy as common place today.
The Fender Custom Shop is able to often build better reissues of a given guitar because the manufacturing techniques have advanced greatly in the past half century. Back in the 50's when the Strat was first conceived of, a whole new way for making a guitar was invented. Thus by modern standards these instruments may appear a little dated; but then again, look at what the Stratocaster design brought us - the most popular electric guitar design of our time.


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Agreed Sonny Boy. And I totally dig the way the design has evolved over the years and now come full cirlce. Modern vintage guitars that nail the very best traits of those few exceptional vintage guitars. Now everyone can have killer vintage tone without the quirks of owning one of those old Duralogs.

I own a very nice 1955 Les Paul Custom. As vintage Les Pauls go, this one is way up there. But I'd still rather have a new one.


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If I had the money to buy a Vintage Stratocaster I would probably spend it on a good used truck. I have an 03 MIM and it has been dropped, had the neck broken off of it, don't ask, I fixed it myself, and it plays better than when it was new. I've been playing since 1970, and have played reissues and Vintage instruments. I think it is all about nostalgia and look I have a Vintage Stratocaster. If you inherit one, or get a good deal at a yard sale, thats great. But use that $8000.00 for extra gear or something.


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