I think you have the right to your opinion and freedom of speech, as does every human. But you are among a community of peoples from every corner of the earth. You will NOT consolidate everyone's opinion, as you must see by now. What makes this place so cool, is the fact that we have access to opinions, tricks, and culture, far beyond what any guitarist of the past had. I can get opinions from New Zealand, UK, Germany, Central America, Canada, not to mention states in my own country I have yet been able to visit.
There are other forums that may appreciate your witt, and your ability to nitpick at social issues in the eye of world citizens that must look past what filth you are spewing.
As a Veteran, and an American, I am embarrassed by your posts and feel compelled to apoligize on your behalf.
I like strats!

Guys, lets just ignore this fellah. Note he avoids responding to any rational argument and just focus's on name-calling accusations.

To go further off topic.


I for one would be very intrested if any atheist or person of biological background could explain to me the relevance of the theory of evolution. Whilst taking into account the differences between micro and macro mutated lifeform virility.

Always prepared to hear the other side.

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Never argue with a Ninja. Especially one with a guitar On the theory of evolution, I dont understand why we have a flightless bird only found in NZ..noneother like it elsewhere. Thougth this topic is probably going to last as long as evolution itself Nik





I am a believer of God, and I am a believer of science... everything else is on the discovery channel

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Theres a whole school of thought that dismisses evolution on the basis that mutated life above a single cell organism cannot breed. For instance if you take a horse and breed it with a donkey you get a mule. Mules are sterile, not able to propagate their particular slant on the equine population. The same thing happens with fish, monkeys, and just about every other type of life form on this planet. Except mutated single cell organisms. Evolution is based on the idea that lifeforms mutate to adapt to their surroundings. How did those mutated lifeforms breed?

I'd like to find out more about this school of thought, as I'm basicaly a uneducated thug.

There are other things I want to know too.
If we evolved from monkeys, why have we still got monkeys in the world? Ok I can loosely see the sense in the idea that we evolved from them and grew opposable thumbs and the ability to shave. But if were the better model, why havent the others joined in or died off? They've apparently had billions of years to get with the program. The same can be applied to fish, reptiles and birds. If living on the land is so great why havent all fish decided to sprout legs, is the blunt way of putting it.

Also, why are their no remains whatsoever from transitional stages of evolution? Birds capable of flight with flippers. Ok I know remains dont always survive but we've found huge dinosaurs and tiny dinosaurs. Their remains managed to last the wait out. Why are there non of anything that was strong enough in build and number to create a whole new species?

I'm not closed to the idea that I could be wrong. As I said before my education is sadly lacking. If anyone cares to point me in the right direction I'll gladly go have a read.

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I guess thats the beauty of our existence as humans, we are the only species that have the mental capacity to give thought to our existence and ask 'Why?'

Monkeys are interesting. They communicate to their group when there is danger lurking in the undergrowth, and they are capable of sharing sign language with man. They are also capable of murder as you may put it- ganging up and beating their own to death, which have many scholars conducting research into the matter.

I guess we are from a sub-species that evolved at a much rapid rate than any other species on the planet. I mean, we are now mutating genetics now scientifically as a result of our own curiosity on the matter- isnt that notion freaky.

Dolphins are capable of sexual pleasure, and they share compassion with man. They can warn off sharks to protect humans that are swimming in danger, Yet as they are an ocean dwelling creature- why dont they have gills to breathe water?

I guess the intro to the pink floyd song says it.
"what do you want from me" where there is a brief fill from stephen hawkin: "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, and we learned to talk"

Perhaps we are in an age of extinction- can species evolve much further before we kill them off? Hmm

I have also read some Eric Von Danniken books- he made a good point of saying that if by chance there were cave drawings found on mars, then that would be putting everything in the bible under question- particularly in the book of Genesis.

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I dont see how the existence of extraterrestrials has anything to do with biblical writings. A lot of people think because no mention is made of such things (martians, dinosaurs whatever) that proof of their existence would discount or disprove biblical writings.
My own thoughts on that are. The premise of the bible being the word of God was written for humans to read. It deals with the human relationship to God. It doesnt need to make mention of other existences, its not about them.

You can substitute the word Bible for Quran, Bhagavad Gita, even the Tao in places. Pretty much any holy book written.

Just me being pragmatic.

(p.s Hows this for offtopic)

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I would recommend Eric Von Danniken to you nik if you are curious.

Heres a thought for you. There have been remains found, but they have not been made public due to the fact that it will create such controversy.

Lets say hypothetically:

30,000 years ago- you are a tribesman in the desert. You are out hunting with a spear for tonights dinner, and you hear a roar come from the sky. A helicopter comes down and lands in front of you, and there are humans, inside wearing helmets and oxygen masks.

One comes out of the craft and greets you and hands you a book, then he gets back in and takes off and you never see him again.

Now, you know as you are reading that its a helicopter and a guy came out and gave you a book. But- what does the tribesman say when he tells his mates about the affair in the village?

"oh this cool guy in a helicopter gave me this novel to read..."

What would happen is that they will tell of a large bird (helicopter) coming from the sky with the wrath of thunder, and a pid-faced god came out (human with pilots mask and helmet) to deliver me a message (Book)"

So then it will be drawn on a cave wall, never to be seen until a scientist discovers it while excavating.

What gets me, is why are these drawings found all over the world, with the same theme to them? (a man on a bird, coming down to deliver a message)

Why was it that moses could not look at god who gave him the ten commandments?

Why are there straight lines through the andes landscape that stretch for miles and miles...

The theories surrounding this are too left of centre for most in this world to comprehend, hence they are dismissed quickly. Yet today, they are still unexplained.

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You're good mate- just what this brain of mine needs.

OK so lets take the bible for example. The worlds most selling and most famous book for many reasons. It was written many thousands of years ago.

How about the translation from the people who wrote it.

Noah's ark for example. How did noah come to know of an impending flood, how did he build his ark in such a short space of time, and how was it that plans were given to himn to do so?

An Ark- portrayed as a boat could have been anything for all we know. We all know it floated and it housed many creatures great and small, along with the man himself. But as an ark- was it a boat, or was it as something the writer could best describe it as?

On the theory of evolution as we are straying off topic here... sorry mate

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Ah mate now were into my real intrest, biblical history and archeology.

As for noah's ark. Well the man to talk to is from around your end of the world.
Mr Ron Wyatt and Mr Johnathan Gray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5ORpMTebI&feature=related

When I first saw the video of this (mid 90's) it included the jawbone of a giant. 33 different accounts of the flood from nearly every country. Aboriginal batteries and electric lights as well as loads of other stuff. The fact that Memphis (cairo) the worlds oldest city sprung up literaly overnight. There have been no dwellings found around that area dating from before then. Also if you pinpoint the great pyramid in Cairo on a traditional world map. Draw a north/south and east/west line through it, the landmass in each quater is equall down to a couple of hundred square foot.

BTW the bible tells us it was God himself that Moses dealt with. All other accounts bar Abraham were angels apparently.

I'll have a look for the author you mention. I know what I believe but am very open to others beliefs/theories too. Not trying to change the world, just entertain myself a bit.

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Niki,
I have a pretty thorough thoery on the subject of evolution for you. Take the simplest of organisms for example, a single celled bacteria. There are bacteria equipped with what is called a flagellem, a tail-like projection that protrudes from the cell body of certain prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells. In essence, a flagellum is an outboard motor with over 40 specific working components. With the absence of one component, the flagellum does not work, and the mutation dies with the cell. It does not take a mathematician to conclude that the odds of all 40+ parts spontaniously generating in one generation are astronomical.
With this logic, one can conclude that a flagellum was far more than a mutation, it was obviously designed differently then non flaggelated bacteria. Apply this logic to mankind, and darwin's theory goes byebye. IMHO, social darwanism/eugenics, was the outcome of darwins own theories of evolution. For those who are unaware, eugenics is the study of human genetics, and racial traits. Hitler based his rhetoric in ww2 on the back of social darwinism and the belief that there exists a superior race.

Blerties, Chariot of the Gods was very insightful. Isn't Erick Von Danniken from your neck of the woods? He is on my list of people I would like to meet in person.

Ok Mr Wood.

When I've had a good re-read and look at your point so's I fully understand it, I'll get back to you.

On Darwin, creationists tend to give him a hard time. Poor blokes been speculated and examined like no ones business. All he ever had was an idea.
Hitler took religous principles and used them to rise to power too. Namely taking the Jewish year of Jubilee and implementing it to end Germany's soaring inflation.

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Hey Douche Bag, I never said I didn't have compasion, do you see that anywhere in my post? And who the F are you to tell me to stay out of this forum. And why don't you listen to your own words> "There is no need for disrespect and sarcasm." Who did I disrespect? and my post showed no sarcasm. So F u.
If someone is going to start a post like this, they better be ready for ALL views, good , bad and the ugly. ALOT OF PEOPLE NEED HELP, RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S..

Just to clear up the eugenics blurb at the end of my last post, it was actually Darwin's half cousin who applied the research to human genetics. This is a paste from wiki;
The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[10] drawing on the recent work of his half-cousin Charles Darwin.[citation needed] At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Margaret Sanger,[11][12] Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Linus Pauling[13] and Sidney Webb.[14][15][16] Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was however Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf, and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States.[17]

Albeit totally off topic, but at least clarified.

Hey man, this thread is about haiti, or evolution!