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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:11 am
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Trauma wrote:
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How accurate exactly is this spec? ...

Mainly the wood part I mean, does anyone know?

http://www.stagebeat.co.uk/index.php?page_id=30007


Thanks

Good Question...answers anyone?


i'm not an expert but from what research i've done trying to find a guitar recently i gathered some info. Got a spec. sheet from coustomer relations on the American Standard Series available 1/1986 to 6/2000 and it said that the standard body was Alder (with Optional Swamp Ash Body Natural Finish Only) with extra charges for special wood finishes.

But I also seen an extract from a book on Fender strats and guys working at Fender during the 1990's said that there was a period where alder supplys were low and they used another wood type with a veneer over it....i didn't save the link so thats all i can remember

anyone that i asked in the stores about body wood or number of pieces used never really knew...they made up an answer and everyone had a different answer (that goes for the MIM and MIA's i looked at)

don't know if thats any help to you, but its all i've got!


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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:06 am
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I think that too many people says that the MIA is better than de MIM so im going to express myself about that.

Close your eyes, if you can tell me wich one is a MIA and wich one is a MIM i'll buy you a SRV.

I have botth a MIA and a MIM and both sound great, the fender strat is the best guitar becouse you can make it your own buying new pickups and changing some parts to customize it , and at the same time you will never be able to take off the fender SOUND from a fender no matter what it will always sound LIKE A FENDER.

Thankz fender for your guitars.


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I love reading these threads, they generally morph into a debate and I bet there are a lot of people sitting on the side line.

I think for learning, buy something that fits your budget as a learners guitar... Back when I learnt, it was prudent to get something cost effective for a hundred or two.. then as you playing progresses buy yourself something that you would enjoy.

Honestly, although you can learn on either... what's wrong with learning on a squire?

In my opinion, it's a lot of moolah to splash on something that could potentially be a passing fad.

My three cents... as the conversion rate would give two american pennies :wink:

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:oops: forgot I already posted on this one!!


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Trauma wrote:
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Thanks for having the stones to step up and create this thread. No one else has had the guts to pose this question.


uuuummmmm...... this question has been posted ad nauseum for quite some time now........check the past threads.......it's just that everyone gets tired of the same thread day after day....they usually end up in some sort of border turf war........ :shock: :lol:


Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date: 1550
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm


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jnastyNE wrote:
Trauma wrote:
jnastyNE wrote:
Thanks for having the stones to step up and create this thread. No one else has had the guts to pose this question.


uuuummmmm...... this question has been posted ad nauseum for quite some time now........check the past threads.......it's just that everyone gets tired of the same thread day after day....they usually end up in some sort of border turf war........ :shock: :lol:


Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date: 1550
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm



Main Entry: as·sume
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈsüm\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): as·sumed; as·sum·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin assumere, from ad- + sumere to take — more at consume
Date: 15th century
1 a : to take up or in : receive b : to take into partnership, employment, or use
2 a : to take to or upon oneself : undertake <assume responsibility> b : put on, don c : to place oneself in <assume a position>
3 : seize, usurp <assume control>
4 : to pretend to have or be : feign <assumed an air of confidence in spite of her dismay>
5 : to take as granted or true : suppose <I assume he'll be there>
6 : to take over (the debts of another) as one's own
— as·sum·abil·i·ty \-ˌsü-mə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun
— as·sum·able \-ˈsü-mə-bəl\ adjective
— as·sum·ably \-blē\ adverb
synonyms assume, affect, pretend, simulate, feign, counterfeit, sham mean to put on a false or deceptive appearance. assume often implies a justifiable motive rather than an intent to deceive <assumed an air of cheerfulness around the patients>. affect implies making a false show of possessing, using, or feeling <affected an interest in art>. pretend implies an overt and sustained false appearance <pretended that nothing had happened>. simulate suggests a close imitation of the appearance of something <cosmetics that simulate a suntan>. feign implies more artful invention than pretend, less specific mimicry than simulate <feigned sickness>. counterfeit implies achieving the highest degree of verisimilitude of any of these words <an actor counterfeiting drunkenness>. sham implies an obvious falseness that fools only the gullible <shammed a most unconvincing limp>.

MY BAD I ASSUMED.... :oops:....but it's nice to meet you.....

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Trauma wrote:
jnastyNE wrote:
Trauma wrote:
jnastyNE wrote:
Thanks for having the stones to step up and create this thread. No one else has had the guts to pose this question.


uuuummmmm...... this question has been posted ad nauseum for quite some time now........check the past threads.......it's just that everyone gets tired of the same thread day after day....they usually end up in some sort of border turf war........ :shock: :lol:


Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date: 1550
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm



Main Entry: as·sume
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈsüm\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): as·sumed; as·sum·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin assumere, from ad- + sumere to take — more at consume
Date: 15th century
1 a : to take up or in : receive b : to take into partnership, employment, or use
2 a : to take to or upon oneself : undertake <assume responsibility> b : put on, don c : to place oneself in <assume a position>
3 : seize, usurp <assume control>
4 : to pretend to have or be : feign <assumed an air of confidence in spite of her dismay>
5 : to take as granted or true : suppose <I assume he'll be there>
6 : to take over (the debts of another) as one's own
— as·sum·abil·i·ty \-ˌsü-mə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun
— as·sum·able \-ˈsü-mə-bəl\ adjective
— as·sum·ably \-blē\ adverb
synonyms assume, affect, pretend, simulate, feign, counterfeit, sham mean to put on a false or deceptive appearance. assume often implies a justifiable motive rather than an intent to deceive <assumed an air of cheerfulness around the patients>. affect implies making a false show of possessing, using, or feeling <affected an interest in art>. pretend implies an overt and sustained false appearance <pretended that nothing had happened>. simulate suggests a close imitation of the appearance of something <cosmetics that simulate a suntan>. feign implies more artful invention than pretend, less specific mimicry than simulate <feigned sickness>. counterfeit implies achieving the highest degree of verisimilitude of any of these words <an actor counterfeiting drunkenness>. sham implies an obvious falseness that fools only the gullible <shammed a most unconvincing limp>.

MY BAD I ASSUMED.... :oops:....but it's nice to meet you.....

Good to meet you too, my friend. May your tone be thick but gritty, and your neck play swiftly. PS- no sarcasm. :D


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Post subject: My South of the Border Beauties
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:55 pm
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Sure I’m a bit prejudice as an owner of a MIM HSS Stratocaster but, I have yet to find fault with her. The Artic White finish is absolutely flawless, the tone is true and the sustain it can get is very impressive.

These South of the Border beauties often get ‘dissed by critics and “guitar snobs” but, I doubt many could tell the difference from their sound and feel if they did a blind test. Of course the MIA’s have better electronics and parts (stainless steel as apposed to chrome, etc.) but, the Fenders that come from Mexico currently are a very good quality compared to earlier models and are far better than the Squire line (as a MIM owner, you can be snobby about Squires, too).

But seriously, you can to save over a thousand dollars and still get a great Fender guitar and bass (I also have the MIM Fender FSR Standard J bass which I love, too) by going with the MIM models. That said, when I win the Lotto and get that big recording contract…which ever comes first…I’ll certainly by American but , still cherish and play my South of the Border beauties. Ole!


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Post subject: Re: My South of the Border Beauties
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:31 pm
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These South of the Border beauties often get ‘dissed by critics and “guitar snobs” but, I doubt many could tell the difference from their sound and feel if they did a blind test. Of course the MIA’s have better electronics and parts (stainless steel as apposed to chrome, etc.) but, the Fenders that come from Mexico currently are a very good quality compared to earlier models and are far better than the Squire line (as a MIM owner, you can be snobby about Squires, too).



Before you can dis a Squier you have to know how to spell it, and have played a few. I am an owner of a MIA Fender Strat and a CIC Squier Strat. Both are very good guitars.

I will perfectly honest about the Squier line, I find the following models to be as comparable to the Fender MIM Standard:

Classic Vibe
Vintage Modified
Standard
Deluxe series
and any of their Artist guitars

I know this because I play a lot of guitars when I go out to the music stores. At the time of my last purchace I was out looking for a MIM Fender Standard. I played more Fender Standards that day than I have ever played at one time. I also played numerous amounts of Squiers. Eventually I went home with an awesome CV 60 Stratocaster to be my backup guitar to my Highway 1 Stratocaster.

Now your experience may vary with certain brands, but never be a snob over brand names. I have played dud Fenders, BC Rich, Gibsons, Jacksons, and Charvels; but, in the same thought I have played awesome ones as well.

I am sure you hate people belittling your guitar because it is only a MIM Fender Standard, now think about the guy who's unable to afford one and has to get a Squier or some other brand. Never put down someone else's guitar.

Just my rant for the day, sorry.

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Standard vs Fender Standard (MIM) Strat
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I know this post was back in 2010 but I just bought a new Fender Stratocaster HH Standard MIM. I love it. Its well worth the investment. It is the best made guitar ever. Clapton is right. The Fender Stratocaster is a perfect guitar.

Before I bought my Fender Stratocaster Standard HH MIM , I played both the MIA Standard Strat HH, and an MIM Telecaster HH Standard. I virtually played all three over an hour plugging into the newer Blackster Stage 60 ( which I like that amp)

I really could not tell the difference between any of them over the period of one hour. I played all three cleans, then with tube distortion.

The MIM Standard telecaster ironically sounded identical to the MIM Standard cleans. I like the MIM better than the MIA. I'm not sure why, it just seemed to play faster when shredding.

I choose the MIM Standard Stratocaster HH. I couldn't justify paying $1200.00 for the identical guitar. IMO


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Thanks for having the stones to step up and create this thread. No one else has had the guts to pose this question.


You weren't here six months or so ago then?

I have a couple of MIAs and an FSR MIM and I'm currently feeling a lot of love for the MiM.

MiMs will never be as special as a MIA in the same way a VW Toureg isn't a Cayenne, but they are great value.

Being cheap (er) allows more freedom to swap and modify parts without the concern of devaluing the guitar. Not necessarily something you can do with a MIA if you want to maintain its originality. Granted you may be less likely to to want/need to change parts on a MIA.

So far I have swapped the following on my MiM:-

Trem: It had a two post but it had a light block and I didn't like the saddles. A second hand MiA trem with block saddles sorted that.

String trees. Swapped to MiA Ts

Tone pot swapped to TBX

Scratch Plate: The original seemed thinner than my MiAs and the edges weren't as nicely finished.

Next, and finally on my list of "to do's" is PUPs. The originals are pretty naff but a swap is a fair investment which I am stealing myself for (I keep diverting my guitar budget into pedals and amps).

Would I buy another MiM? Probably not from new but perhaps if it were particularly special. If I landed a slab of money in my guitar fund I would consider a Hendrix and I quite like the latest art guitar.

It's not that MiAs are necessarily better than MiM. The neck finish on my American Special Hardtail was such that I considered returning it. It's just that there is something special about the history of a Strat which seems more authentic if it is made where it should be.

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John Sims wrote:
I have a couple of MIAs and an FSR MIM and I'm currently feeling a lot of love for the MiM.

MiMs will never be as special as a MIA in the same way a VW Toureg isn't a Cayenne, but they are great value.


It's not that MiAs are necessarily better than MiM. The neck finish on my American Special Hardtail was such that I considered returning it. It's just that there is something special about the history of a Strat which seems more authentic if it is made where it should be.


That makes no sense to me. They are both Fenders. They are both made in Fender factories, by Fender employees, to Fender specifications, and Fender are happy to sell you either with their name on the headstock. The American factory is not where Strats were originally made, and it hasn't been making Strats for significantly longer than the Mexican factory. What's more, Fender hasn't been owned by Leo since long before either factory opened.

Attaching some mythical sense of 'specialness' to a Strat just because it was made on one side of a border is just buying into marketing hype. Especially if you happen to find the one from the 'wrong' side of the border is actually just as 'special' in your hands.


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I have a couple of MIAs and an FSR MIM and I'm currently feeling a lot of love for the MiM.

MiMs will never be as special as a MIA in the same way a VW Toureg isn't a Cayenne, but they are great value.


It's not that MiAs are necessarily better than MiM. The neck finish on my American Special Hardtail was such that I considered returning it. It's just that there is something special about the history of a Strat which seems more authentic if it is made where it should be.


That makes no sense to me. They are both Fenders. They are both made in Fender factories, by Fender employees, to Fender specifications, and Fender are happy to sell you either with their name on the headstock. The American factory is not where Strats were originally made, and it hasn't been making Strats for significantly longer than the Mexican factory. What's more, Fender hasn't been owned by Leo since long before either factory opened.

Attaching some mythical sense of 'specialness' to a Strat just because it was made on one side of a border is just buying into marketing hype. Especially if you happen to find the one from the 'wrong' side of the border is actually just as 'special' in your hands.


It may not make sense but it's a fact. Also value adds specialness. If you choose to pay a large sum of money for something you are going to give it more import than something you paid half as much for.

A TAG watch does no more than tell the time which can be done by a cheap watch bought at a petrol station. People still buy TAG watches. Jewelry has no practical reason for being but people still spend the price of a modest house on a diamond necklace.

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John Sims wrote:

It may not make sense but it's a fact. Also value adds specialness. If you choose to pay a large sum of money for something you are going to give it more import than something you paid half as much for.

A TAG watch does no more than tell the time which can be done by a cheap watch bought at a petrol station. People still buy TAG watches. Jewelry has no practical reason for being but people still spend the price of a modest house on a diamond necklace.


No, it's not a 'fact' & you're still completely missing my point: A higher price adds cost, not necessarily value or specialness. A TAG watch is not a cheap watch, it's a TAG watch. Comparing it to a cheap watch is not like comparing two Fenders. A Fender Strat is a Fender Strat, regardless, whereas a TAG watch is never a cheap watch; your example simply doesn't work.

Sure, anything might be special to you because you paid a lot for it: But that doesn't make it's specialness a 'fact' to anyone else, it's in your head, based on how you value things... To someone else, a MiM Strat can be just as 'special' (or more so), based on how it feels, sounds, how long they've owned it, what they did with it, etc. See how 'special' is not always equated to 'value, and 'value' is not always equated to 'cost'?


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Bigsby wrote:
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... A TAG watch is not a cheap watch, it's a TAG watch. Comparing it to a cheap watch is not like comparing two Fenders. A Fender Strat is a Fender Strat, regardless, whereas a TAG watch is never a cheap watch; your example simply doesn't work....


Now you are are just being obtuse. You accept there is a difference in value (or personaly perceived import) between a TAG watch and a petrol station watch, while both just tell the time. But you don't accept the same reference between a cheaper MiM Strat and a more expensive MiA Strat.

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