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Post subject: help with pots
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:10 am
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What kind of pots do I need in my hss strat if I have a semor duncan pearly gates and 2 fender vintage noiseless pickups?


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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:15 am
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max-preston wrote:
What kind of pots do I need in my hss strat if I have a semor duncan pearly gates and 2 fender vintage noiseless pickups?


Seymour Duncan is designed to wire in with 500k pots and Fender Vintage come with 3x 1m replacement control pots.


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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:04 pm
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max-preston wrote:
What kind of pots do I need in my hss strat if I have a semor duncan pearly gates and 2 fender vintage noiseless pickups?


Ideally, a 500K for the Duncan and for best results with the Fenders, 250K.

Like I said in my other post, a 470K resistor soldered to each of the Fender hot leads's and then, soldered to their respective terminal at the pickup selector switch will have replicate a 250K (+/-) volume pot when the Fender pickups by themselves are activated.

Fender has switched around their pot resistance combinations with the Vintage Noiseless (VN) series since their inception. First it was 1,000K (1 meg) ohms across the board and then, one 500K ohms pot for the volume and two 1 meg ohm pots, one for each tone pot. Further down the road, I've seen one 250K ohms for the volume pot with two 500K ohms pots, one for each tone pot. Why? The plain truth is, the VNs are rather weak and tonally limited where the excessively high resistance pots were/are utilized to literally force some kind of expanded range out of them. Unfortunately, rather than this practice solving the problem, complaints of tonal sterility began to pour in. Hence, the progressive lowering of the pots' collective resistance values but not to the electronically correct point because of the known condition where the tonality (and volume) will attenuate all the more.

Never presume the DC resistance of a pickup to be an accurate, "in stone" indicator of its output strength. There are many more electronic factors than this.

Regardless and with ANY pickup, if the inherent tone and/or volume isn't there by design, all the attempts at electronically squeezing enhanced response out of them will not change the reality. Consequently, for the totality of the VN's specs, 250K is best and is as good as your going to get in terms of what the VNs have to offer. YMMV.

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so you say the vintage noiseless pickups are junk and I should not have bought them...... but the duncan is only attached to the volume so I should have 500k volume and the 2 tones should be 250k


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so you say the vintage noiseless pickups are junk and I should not have bought them...... but the duncan is only attached to the volume so I should have 500k volume and the 2 tones should be 250k


No, I'm not saying they are junk. Rather and merely, they are limited. Many players do love them as do many players hate them. I personally like the way one sounds in the neck position of a Strat but nowhere else. To me, again with tone being subjective, in that position the VN sounds a lot like the CS 69 Strat pickups without the hum and FWIW, that's the only position I like a CS 69 pickup in a Strat as well. This is due to the fact that neither model has any appreciable midrange which again, IMO is a good thing for a neck position pickup but not so good anywhere else. Would either of these two models be on my 'short list' of choices across the board? Obviously not but who am I in terms of, "The Big Picture"? Millions of players enjoy combinations I personally wouldn't use yet sound great with them. You may very well be completely satisfied with them with the components you have, no more, no less.

By way of the pickup selector switch, ALL the pickups in your guitar are attached to the 500K volume pot. The Duncan merely has no tone pot attached to it unlike the Fenders which both have a 250K tone pot each and respectively.

Surely, I wasn't trying to insult your choice of pickups. Rather, I was merely trying to answer your electronics components values question by pointing out technical aspects, thereby supporting the validity of my answer and what hundreds of players I've installed these for agree would make the VNs sound their very best. If I've offended you in some way, I apologize.

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no its ok but I found out that they are the hot jeff beck ones is that better and does that change anything?


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no its ok but I found out that they are the hot jeff beck ones is that better and does that change anything?


The Hots are literally on the borderline between 250K and 500K. In this particular situation, because of them being connected to the 250K tones, you just might get away with what you have. If the Hots sound too shrill or clanky, do the inline resistor addendum I spoke of. Again though, try them with what you have first; this is what I'd do.

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so you would not put in the 500k? those pickups don't come with them anyway right... because I had bought the three of them used for $28.00 and one didn't work was that a good deal?


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so you would not put in the 500k? those pickups don't come with them anyway right... because I had bought the three of them used for $28.00 and one didn't work was that a good deal?


If it were me, I would start by using a 500K volume pot and each tone pot would be a 250K. If I didn't like the response(s), then I'd take appropriate action.

IMO, $14 each for a brand name, stacked HB is a good deal.

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Martian wrote:
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so you would not put in the 500k? those pickups don't come with them anyway right... because I had bought the three of them used for $28.00 and one didn't work was that a good deal?


If it were me, I would start by using a 500K volume pot and each tone pot would be a 250K. If I didn't like the response(s), then I'd take appropriate action.

IMO, $14 each for a brand name, stacked HB is a good deal.


I tried out one of Martian's suggestions and my HSS strat sounds fantastic.
500k vol with 250k tones.
SD TB4 Bridge
SCN Neck and Mid with 470k resisitors on hot wires between the switch and PU's.

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what do the 470K resistors do anyway?


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max-preston wrote:
what do the 470K resistors do anyway?


In this particular situation, they alter the resistance in the circuit when either of the single coils are separately engaged so that the 500K resistance of the volume pot is now 'seen' by either of the single coils as closer to 250K, thus being a better match, resistance wise for either.

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so what pots are in a mim hss strat


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max-preston wrote:
so what pots are in a mim hss strat


All are 250K pots.

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so I should change the volume pot to 500k for the duncan


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