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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:30 am
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Shockwarrior wrote:
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When dealing with buzz tons of players are so quick to go to the saddles for a quick fix.


True and the only fix you will get from most setup techs.

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As some have suggested, and I suspect this is part of the issue as well, is the relief of the neck.
The relief is currently about credit card thickness gap between the 7th fret and the bottom of the string. The action is currently 5/64s at the 17th fret a little high for my likeing to be honest it's a vintage 7.25 radius maple neck. The pickup height is set to fender specs and the bridge is currently floating. With no whammy bar (I dont use one) there is some fret wear not not considerable and yet still buzzing

At the moment its more like "add some relief so we just know its not that". It would seem to be a hump or risen tongue at the 12th onwards?. A straight edge is the only way to know for sure. The neck may have taken on moisture as well at some point.

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A quick run up the neck with the proper hammer


I think that is a bad idea myself unless you know the condition of the whole neck. Frets will normally pop back out as well its a temp solution.

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What in my mind is the most likely culprit (besides the relief) is the nut... observations of a garage guitar tinkerer


This ones good to remember, the nut is not used at all while playing except on open strings.

Open string buzz is really annoying and can be quickly checked by a capo of the 3rd noted fret. Then see if there is string movement over the first fret wire itself. If no movement the first fret is too high, the second fret is too low or the nut slot is too low. Lots of variables but its still a quick check. In either case you can use a feeler gauge or a steel rule to measure it.

In this case its 12th fret onwards so the nut should have been well and truly ruled out at this point.


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cvilleira wrote:
Flaten the neck and check the frets for level. It mat be something as simple as having to tamp down a fret or two. If you need to level them you will need a leveling block an magic marker dressing files.
The guitar is only a year ld I would be surprised iv it needed fret work but I'm not up on the fret side of things I always kinda took them for granted like a fool. The current setup is vintage radius 7.25 with current relief of I would say credit card thickness at the 5th and 7th fret from top of fret to bottom of string. The action is 5/64s at the 17th fret on all strings a little higher than ide like to be honest. Ther is some fret wear but nothing I would call considerable and still buzz. It's actually more of a rattle and mainly on G string but a little on the others aswell ruffly 12th fret up.please help I was told you were the dude


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Flaten the neck and check the frets for level. It mat be something as simple as having to tamp down a fret or two. If you need to level them you will need a leveling block an magic marker dressing files.
The guitar is only a year ld I would be surprised iv it needed fret work but I'm not up on the fret side of things I always kinda took them for granted like a fool. The current setup is vintage radius 7.25 with current relief of I would say credit card thickness at the 5th and 7th fret from top of fret to bottom of string. The action is 5/64s at the 17th fret on all strings a little higher than ide like to be honest. Ther is some fret wear but nothing I would call considerable and still buzz. It's actually more of a rattle and mainly on G string but a little on the others aswell ruffly 12th fret up.please help I was told you were the dude
Beam Me Up Scotty!!!! You at this point I would take the guitar and just reset everything from scratch. Many people that are not sure start turning this and that and get things so offset that I find its best to just break it down and start from there. There is only so many adjustments.

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cvilleira wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty!!!! You at this point I would take the guitar and just reset everything from scratch. Many people that are not sure start turning this and that and get things so offset that I find its best to just break it down and start from there. There is only so many adjustments.


This is what I had said way back at the very beginning of this thread.

I had henceforth stayed out of this until now under the heading of, "Too many cooks...". Yet, now it is time:

Granted, all contributors are trying to help as best as they can although each and every one will surely agree that without the guitar in-hand, the specific malady and remedy can remain indefinitely elusive.

I must agree with and am reinforcing CV's, "reality check" here. Indeed, there are only a few adjustments which can and will solve the original problem but somehow, this minor malady has taken on epic proportions for remedy. Sidestepping my opinion on what I personally thought was the root cause of the original problem, after all this tinkering, I'd HAVE to have the guitar in front of me now or I wouldn't dare offer some kind of remedial action.

Aimless tinkering can and does run the risk of creating new maladies. Along with abused hardware, I'm thinking chiefly about the frets here.

Yes, I know the in-vogue thing to do nowadays is for one to become at least, their own personal tech but sometimes, one has to take their instrument to a professional and there is no other way around it.

The bottom line: Go back to 'square one' and follow Fender's, Erlewine's or any other instruction procedure for setting up a guitar which you deem competent and are comfortable with. If this still doesn't work, logic dictates that it is time time to bring it to a competent tech who will not only correctly remedy the situation, but by his or her appropriate action(s), will prevent potential additional issues and/or potential damage. Of course, for your edification, feel free to ask the tech specifically what was all wrong with it.

Here too, this is merely IMO where YMMV.

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Beam Me Up Scotty!!!! You at this point I would take the guitar and just reset everything from scratch. Many people that are not sure start turning this and that and get things so offset that I find its best to just break it down and start from there. There is only so many adjustments.


This is what I had said way back at the very beginning of this thread.

I had henceforth stayed out of this until now under the heading of, "Too many cooks...". Yet, now it is time:

Granted, all contributors are trying to help as best as they can although each and every one will surely agree that without the guitar in-hand, the specific malady and remedy can remain indefinitely elusive.

I must agree with and am reinforcing CV's, "reality check" here. Indeed, there are only a few adjustments which can and will solve the original problem but somehow, this minor malady has taken on epic proportions for remedy. Sidestepping my opinion on what I personally thought was the root cause of the original problem, after all this tinkering, I'd HAVE to have the guitar in front of me now or I wouldn't dare offer some kind of remedial action.

Aimless tinkering can and does run the risk of creating new maladies. Along with abused hardware, I'm thinking chiefly about the frets here.

Yes, I know the in-vogue thing to do nowadays is for one to become at least, their own personal tech but sometimes, one has to take their instrument to a professional and there is no other way around it.

The bottom line: Go back to 'square one' and follow Fender's, Erlewine's or any other instruction procedure for setting up a guitar which you deem competent and are comfortable with. If this still doesn't work, logic dictates that it is time time to bring it to a competent tech who will not only correctly remedy the situation, but by his or her appropriate action(s), will prevent potential additional issues and/or potential damage. Of course, for your edification, feel free to ask the tech specifically what was all wrong with it.

Here too, this is merely IMO where YMMV.
YEP!!!! Take it to someone like you or myself martian is the best way to set it up.

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That make sense? I am so sick right now in bed. Take it to a tech like martian or me thats are in your area.

Thats sounds better!!!! :( :( :?

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Martian wrote:
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Beam Me Up Scotty!!!! You at this point I would take the guitar and just reset everything from scratch. Many people that are not sure start turning this and that and get things so offset that I find its best to just break it down and start from there. There is only so many adjustments.
Yeah I've decided to to take it to a tech eventually but just want to say thanks to everyone who put there thoughts across and brought some great points across. I've learnt allot these past few days. Thanks guys much appreciated.
Think I'm guna grab a copy of that dan earlwine book aswel for the read. Thanks again guys

This is what I had said way back at the very beginning of this thread.

I had henceforth stayed out of this until now under the heading of, "Too many cooks...". Yet, now it is time:

Granted, all contributors are trying to help as best as they can although each and every one will surely agree that without the guitar in-hand, the specific malady and remedy can remain indefinitely elusive.

I must agree with and am reinforcing CV's, "reality check" here. Indeed, there are only a few adjustments which can and will solve the original problem but somehow, this minor malady has taken on epic proportions for remedy. Sidestepping my opinion on what I personally thought was the root cause of the original problem, after all this tinkering, I'd HAVE to have the guitar in front of me now or I wouldn't dare offer some kind of remedial action.

Aimless tinkering can and does run the risk of creating new maladies. Along with abused hardware, I'm thinking chiefly about the frets here.

Yes, I know the in-vogue thing to do nowadays is for one to become at least, their own personal tech but sometimes, one has to take their instrument to a professional and there is no other way around it.

The bottom line: Go back to 'square one' and follow Fender's, Erlewine's or any other instruction procedure for setting up a guitar which you deem competent and are comfortable with. If this still doesn't work, logic dictates that it is time time to bring it to a competent tech who will not only correctly remedy the situation, but by his or her appropriate action(s), will prevent potential additional issues and/or potential damage. Of course, for your edification, feel free to ask the tech specifically what was all wrong with it.

Here too, this is merely IMO where YMMV.


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cvilleira wrote:
That make sense? I am so sick right now in bed. Take it to a tech like martian or me thats are in your area.

Thats sounds better!!!! :( :( :?


CV, hope you get better real soon!!!

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