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Post subject: just a thought on the strat and bassman
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:05 pm
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guys last night i was fiddling with my am deluxe strat and 59 bassman,
with pedals, tried all combinations, am loving it.

but, i was all alone at my house while wife and kids were shopping away, turn to 12 and let her rip.

i plugged in straight to the bright channel, with a short cable jumping from normal channel 1 and bright 2.
normal channle at 4
bright at 12, prescence 12oclock, treble 4, bass 0

played with volume and tone knobs.

totally awesome. at those vol, dont need pedals.

i know niki, martian and ceri and many others have probably stated before. :wink:


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Not me mate. I've never played through a bassman. I am however a big fan of power section clipping. So I use this

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I can turn my marshalls up to 10 and get that lovely mid honk. It doesnt sound quite the same as maxing the amp cos your not pushing the speaker. Its fantastic for great valve tone at friendly volumes though.

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Post subject: Re: just a thought on the strat and bassman
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:59 pm
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bluesstrattone wrote:
but, i was all alone at my house while wife and kids were shopping away, turn to 12 and let her rip.

i plugged in straight to the bright channel, with a short cable jumping from normal channel 1 and bright 2.
normal channle at 4
bright at 12, prescence 12oclock, treble 4, bass 0

played with volume and tone knobs.

totally awesome. at those vol, dont need pedals.


That is my favorite way to rock my rig... AVRI 62 Strat or Jazzmaster through cranked bassman and all my pedals bypassed. It is the sound of RAWK!

And, with judicious usage of volume and tone knobs, you can run cleaner and prettier and then grittier to all-out scream.


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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:19 pm
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bluesstrattone wrote:
guys last night i was fiddling with my am deluxe strat and 59 bassman,
with pedals, tried all combinations, am loving it.

but, i was all alone at my house while wife and kids were shopping away, turn to 12 and let her rip.

i plugged in straight to the bright channel, with a short cable jumping from normal channel 1 and bright 2.
normal channle at 4
bright at 12, prescence 12oclock, treble 4, bass 0

played with volume and tone knobs.

totally awesome. at those vol, dont need pedals.

i know niki, martian and ceri and many others have probably stated before. :wink:


Lucky!! I cant even put the volume on my HR Deluxe past 2 without the neighbours getting agitated and it's only 40watts!- I am hoping there will be a small solid state practice amp under the christmas tree this year.

Interesting looking contraption nik has there- what does that do? will it half the output of an amp at all?

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Blertes it can take a 100watt marshall down to 10 watts even with all the controls maxed out.
As I said though, you dont get the pushed speaker tone out of your rig with it.

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A 4X10 Bassman and a Strat are an awesome combination. Get a power brake r some other variety of volume attenuator so you can run the amp at full bore and not blast your nieghbors out of existance. Same great sound at manageable volume levels.

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:53 am
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I don't know if this will help, but a friend of mine turned me on to this volume box you plug into your effects loop (pre amp post amp?) That becomes the master volume allowing you to max out your channels and achieve that tone associated with higher volumes without getting evicted. It was only about $20 on ebay and it's sold by a company called Omnitronics. With a simple fix like this I'm able to get all the dirty crunch on my clean as well as equal the clean and overdrive channels volume levels.


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Jobe it doesnt allow you to push the power section of the amp. It turns a regular amp into a master volume amp. Their a great tool for amps without master volumes.

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:03 pm
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jobe6970 wrote:
I don't know if this will help, but a friend of mine turned me on to this volume box you plug into your effects loop (pre amp post amp?) That becomes the master volume allowing you to max out your channels and achieve that tone associated with higher volumes without getting evicted. It was only about $20 on ebay and it's sold by a company called Omnitronics. With a simple fix like this I'm able to get all the dirty crunch on my clean as well as equal the clean and overdrive channels volume levels.


Tell us more--what's the contraption called? Who makes it (you said it was sold by Omnitronics)

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Try out the 65 deluxe reverb RI only 22 watts

sweet 6V6 tone

crank it and its loud, but won't peel the paint.

My 59 bassman RI makes the stuff fall off the walls at about #3

I tried one of those e-bay boxes and was not at all happy with the results, It robbed the life out of my tone, I would love to be able to say it worked and turned the raging monster into a quiet tone machine but.........

The 54 custom shop pups in my strat are lov'n the 65 DRRI, have yet to play some humbuckers through it to see how it reacts

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I have a 69 Bassman that sounds sweet with my Strat through a Marshall 4-12 cab,the 2-15 Fender cab doesn't cut it with a guitar but really thumps with a bass.Years ago Tom Scholtz of Boston marketed a device called the Power Soak that even allowed a speaker to sound overdriven at livingroom volumes as evidenced on Boston's first album.

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guitslinger wrote:
I have a 69 Bassman that sounds sweet with my Strat through a Marshall 4-12 cab,the 2-15 Fender cab doesn't cut it with a guitar but really thumps with a bass.Years ago Tom Scholtz of Boston marketed a device called the Power Soak that even allowed a speaker to sound overdriven at livingroom volumes as evidenced on Boston's first album.


Yeah thats exactly what the powerbreak is. A speaker attenuator. It lowers the power from the output section to the speaker, so your amp is still running on full volume. The volume/power is dissipated by the attenuator as heat.
The volume box that sits in the effects loop is a very different thing. It acts as a master volume control, which most amps these days already have.

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I have a 69 Bassman that sounds sweet with my Strat through a Marshall 4-12 cab,the 2-15 Fender cab doesn't cut it with a guitar but really thumps with a bass.Years ago Tom Scholtz of Boston marketed a device called the Power Soak that even allowed a speaker to sound overdriven at livingroom volumes as evidenced on Boston's first album.


Yeah thats exactly what the powerbreak is. A speaker attenuator. It lowers the power from the output section to the speaker, so your amp is still running on full volume. The volume/power is dissipated by the attenuator as heat.
The volume box that sits in the effects loop is a very different thing. It acts as a master volume control, which most amps these days already have.


Is it like the Ernie Ball volume pedal? essentially like a 500k volume?

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I have a mesa 50/50 that has the low power switch. I used a clean channel and cranked the power amp. The power amp became my distortion. I could only handle it for a few seconds on full power. And at low power, which it supposed to take it to 15 watts per side, it was still making my ears ring after a few seconds. Those few seconds were great, especially on full power :shock: Does anyone know how mesa cuts the power with that switch? is it the same idea as a power soak built in to the amp?

But I get good air movement at reasonable levels using my cab and turning up the power amp enough to get the tubes working (3-4), and turning down the output knob on the front of my preamps. While I have been told this is not a way to maximize signal to noise ratio, I think it just sounds better with the power amp working harder. Maximizing s/n ratio gives it more of a high fi sound to me at low levels.

There is no substitute for the tone of a 6l6 or el34 power tube being pushed. Or at least pushed to its sweet spot.

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