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[quote="Blertles"]I also noticed that there is no 'swimming pool' route, yet there is a 1993 stamp there in the cavity

Because it is a '62RI it is routed as were the guitars for that period of time. That's one of the specs.

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> 126/day; 5.25/hour; 0.0875/min

Nor ANY days off.


Right! The average is closer to 190 per day (as he probably only worked at most 240 days a year after vacations and holidays, etc).

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> 126/day; 5.25/hour; 0.0875/min

Nor ANY days off.


Right! The average is closer to 190 per day (as he probably only worked at most 240 days a year after vacations and holidays, etc).


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> 126/day; 5.25/hour; 0.0875/min

Nor ANY days off.


Right! The average is closer to 190 per day (as he probably only worked at most 240 days a year after vacations and holidays, etc).


Once anew, me thinks me smelleth a voluminous rodent!


Ese no me importa. Nada mas. 8)

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orvilleowner wrote:
Martian wrote:
> 126/day; 5.25/hour; 0.0875/min

Nor ANY days off.


Right! The average is closer to 190 per day (as he probably only worked at most 240 days a year after vacations and holidays, etc).


Once anew, me thinks me smelleth a voluminous rodent!


Ese no me importa. Nada mas. 8)


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Martian wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
Martian wrote:
orvilleowner wrote:
Martian wrote:
> 126/day; 5.25/hour; 0.0875/min

Nor ANY days off.


Right! The average is closer to 190 per day (as he probably only worked at most 240 days a year after vacations and holidays, etc).


Once anew, me thinks me smelleth a voluminous rodent!


Ese no me importa. Nada mas. 8)


Verdad.


Asi! Vamonos adelante :idea: :!:

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From what I could gather reading that link where Mark Kendrick posted his output for his first year in the factory, I expect that he started working on the assembly line in the main plant, spraying a coat on each body that trundled by and tossing the ones that didn't work out on the "use for custom colours" pile. I'm sure he was as fast and accurate as anybody on the floor, but you'd expect a good worker in that environment to get through quite a few bodies per hour, surely. It's not as if he would have walked straight into the Custom Shop... 46,000 pieces would be more like ten years' worth of work there, if not more. Sorry if this has already been posted... heh... it was in the back of my mind when I went to sleep and I've just gone ahead and written this without reading through the rest of the thread. If I'm typing I look busier at work.


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I also noticed that there is no 'swimming pool' route, yet there is a 1993 stamp there in the cavity

Because it is a '62RI it is routed as were the guitars for that period of time. That's one of the specs.


The 12th pickguard screw hole- and look at that sunburst. If thats what they shoot then they look nothing like a period correct 3 tone sunburst. I think it looks too much like a post '97, pre '02 body- with a fake stamp. it's too clean for my liking and that sunburst is laughable if you want to pass that off as a '93 62 AVRI.

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This is an interesting discussion with an immense amount of information being exchanged. I've been looking for some information re:paint (digression alert!) and happened to find an on-line version of A.R. Duchessoir's The Fender Stratocaster book that mentions sunburst finishes underneath black (or other color) paint coming from the Fullerton plant. I'm stripping a '97 Chinese Squier and that's exactly what I've found. Briefly, this model and year ('98s too) are not your average Squiers - 1.75" thick (and heavy), 2 3/16" neck pockets, etc. According to everyone who owns or has played one they are superb guitars, but my point is really about the book as a research tool for questions as the one posed here. I'm certain that there are oddities and anomalies in every Strat model ever made - people make them after all, and then there are those who can make some dough by creating fakes - horrors! I once found a Coke bottle tucked in a fresh-from-the-plant Chevy with a note in it saying, "If you're reading this...". I suppose with a little time on our hands, our minds do wander and anything is possible.


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Hi Guys,

New here, i just stumbled upon this interesting thread.
Sorry to open it up again, but:
Interesting, because i have EXACTLY the same kind of guitar.
Same year, same markings, same decal etc.
It's even a sunburst too and in the same 60.000 # range.
I had the suspicion it's not nitro just because of the different aging of my other reissue's (turning satin at the armrest part of the body)
However i have no doubt it's a real one but Fender surely did some misleading actions in that specific era.
Also the large 62 ST SB markings are there on mine too and can be seen on more reissues around this era.
Also asuming the pickups from the strat in this thread are original, the difference is that mine do not have beveled polepieces.
They should not be beveled when from this era for a AVRI.

If anyone is still interested i can post pictures.
Fake?
Why would anyone bother to fake a reissue?
There's not much to be gained there.
I'm pretty sure Fender is not telling all here!

Oh besides, it's a great guitar!


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replifex wrote:
If anyone is still interested i can post pictures.
Fake?
Why would anyone bother to fake a reissue?
There's not much to be gained there.
I'm pretty sure Fender is not telling all here!

Oh besides, it's a great guitar!

Ha! Welcome back (sort of) old thread. And welcome to the Forum replifex. :D

I think your "why bother?" question succinctly encapsulates the crucial issue here. Exactly as you say, Fender vary various details of fit and finish without letting on - and perhaps sometimes by mistake.

What's most amusing on this thread is the length some folks will go to trying to prove their guitar is fake!!! I guess sometimes people need to believe that - not sure why... :lol:

Anyhow. We ALWAYS like looking at pictures, so yes please, show us your guitar! :D

Cheers - C

EDITED: for strange typo.


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Okay, here it is!
100% original, except for the 5-way switch ofcourse.
I had to install that myself.
I am not posting the serialnumber as i don't want it to show up on the Evilbay or something like that but it's in the V064.000 range.


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Both guitars look like 62 Reissues MIM. I've got a 91 and those kind of mexi hieroglyphics are the exact kind of randomness in the real guitars.


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Hi again replifex: thank you for those excellent photos. Your '62RI seems to have been built about a week earlier than that of fxdfxd, the OP. So it is about as close a comparison as we could possibly get! :D

In particular your pix show that the headstock decal is genuinely one used by fender on the '62 Reissue, right down to the pointy upper terminal on the last "e", which worried Mr fxdfxd so much. Early on this thread he was complaining that this was too close to a real 1962 Strat and so indicated that it was a fake rather than a real reissue. A complicated and interesting argument - but wrong, as it turns out.

On the other hand, I notice differences that he will no doubt set great store by. Yours carries builders' names on both neck and neck pocket where his doesn't. Yours has different colored insulation material on the pots. And yours has no red sticker in the middle pickup cavity. I've a feeling if fxdfxd ever sees this thread again he's going to jump on those little details... :lol:

Now. Something that's much more interesting to me (given that I don't believe there is counterfeit detective work to be done here): from the photos it looks as if on both guitars the red part of the sunburst, between the black edge and the amber middle, has only been sprayed on the parts of the front where it will show. Am I seeing it right: does the red stop beneath the pickguard? That's a very odd thing and nothing to do with exposure to light - under the pickguard is exactly where red pigment would not have faded over the years.

So if I'm right it means the guy who did the lacquering deliberately saved himself a few seconds per body by not spraying that little bit. How amazing! It also suggests that even though the two necks and bodies might not have been made by the same builders it could very likely be that your body was sprayed by the same fella who did Mr fxdfxd's one. Which is easy to believe - if you have a batch of bodies to paint you'd try and do them all at once.

Which lends further support to our belief that fxdfxd's Strat was done in the Fender factory. It also conclusively proves that Fender sometimes put polyurethane finishes on Reissues - as I do believe one or two people suggested on the first page of this thread... :wink:

How pleasant to be proved right after all this time! :lol:

For comparison, here's fxdfxd's body:
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And here's yours:
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Thanks, replifex! :D

Cheers - C


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Both guitars look like 62 Reissues MIM. I've got a 91 and those kind of mexi hieroglyphics are the exact kind of randomness in the real guitars.


Don't think so, the decal is placed on top of the finish.
I believe Mexican RI's don't have cloth wiring.
Also there's the usage of the V serialnumbers.The list goes on.

These are genuine AVRI's but for some reason Fender used Poly (or urathane) finish and maybe a slightly "variation of the Reissue decal than actualy posted on the Internet.
That doesn't mean a thing.
The large stamping in the neckpocket (ST 62 SB) was also used on some Custom Shop guitars in the same period.


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