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YZFJOE wrote:
There is a large body of real world knowledge on here from a lot of people with a lot of experience. Don't be so quick to discount what they have to say. Remember, you are the one that came here seeking help.


Ditto!

Wonder why he even bothered. :?: Suppose he figured there's a bunch of pikers out here. :? What many of our number have long forgotten he has yet to learn.

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Hi

don't misunderstand me, I not native english, so I may miss some subtility, sorry for that ;)

And be sure that I did a lot of research before posting here. It's a fake, but a very good one for sure :D

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Hi

during the time I was typping this message, I had a reply from Mark, owner of stratcollector, about the two reissues (blue/red) posted before.
So both strat are nitro finished, like all reissue like he confirmed to me.

He found that the guitar seemed to be a fake, I gave him more pictures, I'm waiting for his opinion !

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This is laughable. I just presented him with 2 identical guitars from the same year.

Can someone else tell him when spraying cellulose was outlawed and when fender had the plant re-fitted with a multimillion dollar extractor unit. Just so they could spray cellulose?

Wasnt it 98 or 97?

Vinnypop would have had 17 apparitions of the virgin Mary, a whole batch of alien abduction stories and rock solid proof that guitar was hand crafted by Jesus in 27AD, by now.

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fxdfxd wrote:
Hi

during the time I was typping this message, I had a reply from Mark, owner of stratcollector, about the two reissues posted before.
So both strat are nitro finished, like all reissue like he confirmed to me.

He found that the guitar seemed to be a fake, I gave him more pictures, I'm waiting for his opinion !

ThankS
-fx


I'd feel a tad better about the diagnosis of the finish from a photograph on two guitars photographed side by side if bounce flash was used instead of direct with a reflection off the surface of one guitar predominately.

How can you truly determine the type of finish from a photo?

Beats me. :?

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Hi

don't be so arrogant, dont't you realize that maybe YOU are wrong ?
I heard that story about nitro, I heard that fender has to send guitars to be spayed in mexico during this time, I dont know what's wrong or what's true.
I only know that I never saw ANY vintage reissue strat with poly laquer.

But please dont' hesitate to reply, any comment appreciated !
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I know I'm not wrong. I've shown you 3 urethane guitars that 2 of them identical in year and production model to yours. The other is my own urethane finished guitar (its even stamped urethane inside and cost twice as much as a AVRI) just so you can see the way polyurethane and polyester shine. Their very very different to cellulose. My cellulose finished american vintage hotrod was next to it, just so you could really see the difference. You however chose to ignore that evidence and the opinions of 2 very respected and knowledgable afficiando's and still have the ordacity to call me arrogant. Also if you insist on using a inaccurate term like poly please specify which type. Polyester and polyurethane are very different substances.

The whole notion that fender sent guitars down to Ensenada from Corona is laughable. The logistics involved in setting up Ensenada to spray cellulose, shipping the bodies down there, leaving them to dry and then ship them back is mind boggling. Never mind the cost of re-fitting out a section of the factory to spray cellulose, the increase in public liability insurance and healthcare for the people spraying the substance. The costs of shipping the bodies and necks down there and then back again. All while still maintaining full output of the mexican and american lines. You honestly expect anyone to believe that?

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don't be so arrogant, dont't you realize that maybe YOU are wrong ?
I heard that story about nitro, I heard that fender has to send guitars to be spayed in mexico during this time, I dont know what's wrong or what's true.
I only know that I never saw ANY vintage reissue strat with poly laquer.

But please dont' hesitate to reply, any comment appreciated !-fx


When you're in this with people like Niki and Ceri you've yet to come to appreciate what the knowledge base is. Suggest you go into the Strat Forum and find Ceri's thread on a project he's doing with a Strat body Niki sent him. That ought to give you some insight. There's been a lot more of that around here before you arrived.

Hang out and tread water for awhile. I'm sure you'll again have something valuable to contribute as we move along. 8)

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I know I'm not wrong


You are, and you don't want to admit it !
Please read my posts again, stratcollector owner confirmed that the strat you showed were nitro :

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They are both nitro, all reissues (USA) are nitro



Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

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Mark McCann


He confirmed too that there is no poly finish for the american reissue, no matter what you think, or any problem with the law or anything. He never saw a poly finished strat, I never saw one, guys at fenderreissue never saw too, so as far as I can see, I'm right.
And poly what, I don't know, polyurethane I think, the same laquer used for the american standard, that I own too.
But that's not the question, the question is : what's that strat ?
Mark McCann confirmed too that this strat is a fake, but he'll look more and try to tell me what exact parts are used there.

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When you're in this with people like Niki and Ceri you've yet to come to appreciate what the knowledge base is. Suggest you go into the Strat Forum and find Ceri's thread on a project he's doing with a Strat body Niki sent him. That ought to give you some insight. There's been a lot more of that around here before you arrived.


Obviously I respect others opinion, work, as people and as speech, but on this particular fact, he's wrong, I never saw any reissue other than nitro finish, and I gave you there the proof that the 2 guitars he showed were nitro, what more can I do ?

Find me any proof of a poly-something reissue finish, and I'll accept it, with no problem, that would mean that my strat could be a real one ;)

Thanks for your interest!
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I do not know enough to comment on the guitar as being real or not .But what i can comment about is to the fact that the three most knowledgeable Strat people i have ever seen on any guitar forum Ceri,Nikininja,Martian say it is real...Trust these people ..They know what they are talking about..If i had a question about a Strat and all three answered the same way i would regard it as fact..
Ceri..Nikininja..Martian have taught me a lot about Strats just reading over there post ..So i would have confidence in what they say..Just so you know i have never had contact with any of them i just respect there opinion and time after time there knowledge has been proven on this forum..


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Just so you know i have never had contact with any of them i just respect there opinion and time after time there knowledge has been proven on this forum..


It's not opinions, but fact, I proved the sentence was false. Please read, please prove me I'm wrong, I've no worry about that ! :D
I only disagree on that particular point, and nobody was able to prove me the oposite !

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fxdfxd, i dont think you are reading what has already been said to you. niki already showed you pictures of 3 strats that are in fact reissues with a poly finish. if you go back and read he even states that one of them is even stamped "polyurethane" on the finish. Thats pretty solid evidence. I also believe that since around 1968 Fender has been using a poly finish of some sort as a grain sealer on all guitars reissue or not. That being the case no guitar since that time is a true "nitro" finish.


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Here's an interesting exchange from another forum:

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fxdfxd, i dont think you are reading what has already been said to you. niki already showed you pictures of 3 strats that are in fact reissues with a poly finish. if you go back and read he even states that one of them is even stamped "polyurethane" on the finish. Thats pretty solid evidence. I also believe that since around 1968 Fender has been using a poly finish of some sort as a grain sealer on all guitars reissue or not. That being the case no guitar since that time is a true "nitro" finish.


Hi

I don't think you are reading what has already been said, the two strats coming from strat collector are NITRO finish, I send an email to the seller, I post the reply few minutes ago.
The third one is not a reissue, it was posted as exemple !

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Here's an interesting exchange from another forum:

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