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Well, I guess Arny/Arnie (don't know how it's spelled) must find a language that suits him best! Or make one up!


BTW Goran: give me a bit of advice, please.

My wife and I are looking for a little winter getaway for a week or two, next month. Don't need blazing sun, but would like it not too cold. We're thinking about Sicily - but today we were in the travel bookshop looking at guidebooks and started thinking about your part of the world.

All the nice places to see in the Former Yugolsavia - I came through once about 25 years ago but barely scratched the surface.

The vital question: how's the weather with you right now? Horribly cold - or not so bad? And where's good to see in Serbia? And howzabout Montenegro?

Any thoughts received with interest...

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Hey, we know what Peckam is! Del Boy lives there! Just kidding!
"Only fools and horses", what a TV series! We love it here in Serbia.


HA! Hi Goran: do you get it in Serbian or English with subtitles?

Odd thing: I was in Istanbul last year and was amazed to have taxi drivers break into a big smile and exclaim; "lovely-jubbly!" to me. I was astonished to think that they were getting Only Fools And Horses in Turkey - but it turned out they'd never heard of the series. They'd just heard British visitors use that phrase so many times they thought it was the obvious thing to say when they met another one... :lol:

Though sadly Only Fools And Horses was never actually filmed in Peckham. So I finally discovered after searching in vain for the locations... :roll:

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Ceri what should I use to fill this...http://bowenpaint.com/images/gibson_sg2.jpg

Hi Bruce: that is a very nasty one. Obviously a whole lump of lacquer has fallen off, and it will be very hard to match that solid cherry color exactly. However, here's a couple of pages that might help you. This one shows how to mix tint with lacquer to approximate a color:

http://www.stewmac.com/tradesecrets/ts0 ... ign=ts0011

Though unfortunately it is easier there with a semi-transparent finish than on your solid one.

This page is good for the razorblade scraping technique and also a nifty little strip sanding method which I can tesify works very well:

http://www.stewmac.com/tradesecrets/ts0 ... ign=ts0040

And here is an interesting alternative method - but be very clear; I have never done this one so can't recommend this from personal experience:

http://www.stewmac.com/tradesecrets/ts0 ... ign=ts0082

Obviously, those pages are put out as advertisements for Stew-Mac's products. But we can read 'em without buying the gear...

Good luck - C

PS: I will do my best to find time to finish that neckplate tomorrow and show the results...


I probably wouldn't suggest the baking soda thing on anything that big.

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. It looks like there is actually some mahogany chipped off, not just the lacquer. Is that the case? If you still have the piece you might be able to almost seamlessly glue it back in with some water-thin CA (Superglue--Cyanoacrylate,) make sure it is the water thin kind. Glue and clamp.
Then you could do the epoxy thing in the first link ceri put up, to deal with any witness lines.

If you are actually missing a chunk of mahogany, and you don't have the piece anymore, you probably need to strip sand the area. level it, seal it and then apply lacquer, or paint if it is not lacquer. Lacquer would melt into the old lacquer, and be easier to blend and hide any seam, but if that is a urethane or other modern paint, they are very hard to patch invisibly.. This would be a big job. if it is lacquer, you would most likely have to mix your own colours, as finding a direct match might be very hard. and I would practice on scrap, mixing a variety of colours, altering until i got one that dries to match the existing paint. You would need to make a colour board like:

Image Until you find a nice colour match. (Obviously you would only work within the colour range of your repair, but this picture bicely illustrates the concept of a colour board.)Do it on as close a pice of wood to the kind your guitar is made from, let the tests dry, and also clear coat them before you decide on which is the best match. Possibly you could find a place that would do a computer match for you, but that isn't always a viable option.

if it is a urethane you would have to try find a matching brand.

If you still have the missing piece of wood, it could be a fairly (relatively speaking, still take a lot of skill to hide the repair,) simple job, if you don't it could be a bigger job, suitable for an experienced painter, or if you aren't it might be one to get professionally done.

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Goranm wrote:
Well, I guess Arny/Arnie (don't know how it's spelled) must find a language that suits him best! Or make one up!


BTW Goran: give me a bit of advice, please.

My wife and I are looking for a little winter getaway for a week or two, next month. Don't need blazing sun, but would like it not too cold. We're thinking about Sicily - but today we were in the travel bookshop looking at guidebooks and started thinking about your part of the world.

All the nice places to see in the Former Yugolsavia - I came through once about 25 years ago but barely scratched the surface.

The vital question: how's the weather with you right now? Horribly cold - or not so bad? And where's good to see in Serbia? And howzabout Montenegro?

Any thoughts received with interest...

Cheers - C


Wow Ceri, I'm flattered!
Well, first of all it all depends on what kind of "winter getaway" you want.
I mean, if you like the see, or the mountains, to ski, etc.
The weather here is not very nice right now I'm afraid. We had quite a bit of snow and a very cold weather this winter. But, as I can see out the window right now, the snow is melting and it's not so cold. Maybe refreshing is the right word. And if I'm not mistaken, the forecast for the the months to come is mild winter with rain here in the continental part of the Balkans (and Serbia), and snow on the mountains. But you can check that on the internet. So, please don't take my word for granted here. About the weather I mean.
If you like to ski, and you like snow, I must recommend Kopanik mountain, here in Serbia. It's a beautiful mountain totally focused on winter sports. But, if you like beautiful, quiet resorts, fresh, non polluted air, then you must go to Zlatibor mountain, Serbia too. Of course, please check everything I say on the internet. If you like urban vacations, like the one you had in Italy recently, then Belgrade, Novi Sad (which is about 50 km from Zrenjanin, where I live). And please, if you ever come here, try our food, wines...Maybe you will put some weight but you'll be happy about it! Trust me on that!
Montenegro! Small, but beautiful place. Nice coast! Budva city on the coast is famous for it's night life (during the summer season, don't know how it's like during winter), Petrovac a small town on the coast of Adriatic see too. Nice view at the open see from the path (about 3 km long) linking Petrovac and Petrovica dol (I guess that's what it's called, I forgot). Or Kotor, ancient city in the middle of Boka Kotorska bay! It's quiet and beautiful. Even during summer.
But, if you like beautiful beaches, coasts, islands, I highly recommend Croatia! The coastal part of Croatia. If you go to Dubrovnik, you'll be delighted! And you can visit Montenegro coast by ship, or a boat. It's about an hour away. And Serbia if you like. It's couple of hours of driving, maybe less. And I'm talking about highway. Also Split city, in Croatia and Pula, Sibenik. Zagreb is a nice city.
Slovenia is a nice place, but I hear it's a bit boring. Belgrade, Serbia, is famous for it's best night life on the Balkans, and in whole former Yugoslavia. Lots of great music here! I'm not very night life kind of guy, so I can't tell you much than that.
Ah, Bosnia! Sarajevo! Before the war the most multicultural city in this part of Europe I believe! You can also see some of the civil war remains. If you're interested in history, you can find out a lot things, and you could not tell which is true, because there are lots of versions of every little thing concerning our recent history. It's complicated!
Macedonia, a quiet place. Not so much to see.
You know what! I recommend sight seeing Yugoslavia (Croatia coast; Montenegro coast; Belgrade, Novi Sad, maybe mountains I have mentioned, Serbia; Sarajevo Bosnia). I don't think it will cost you more, or much more, than Sicily (I could be wrong). And I think travel agencies offer sightseeing of former Yugoslavia. You won't be disappointed, whatever you choose. I can tell you that. We are small countries, and it doesn't take much money, time or effort to go through all.
Please, check everything on the internet! I just tried to give you some friendly insight.

Thanks for asking! Please, let me know what suits you best after thinking it all through.

Until next time...

Goran

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I probably wouldn't suggest the baking soda thing on anything that big.

It was completely new to me when I first saw that Stew-Mac page and I have never tried it. ...Perhaps I was sneakily hoping someone else might experiment with it for us and let us know how it works out... :wink: :D

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level it, seal it and then apply lacquer, or paint if it is not lacquer. Lacquer would melt into the old lacquer, and be easier to blend and hide any seam, but if that is a urethane or other modern paint, they are very hard to patch invisibly.

I'd second everything Twelvebar said, above.

On the difference between nitro and urethane; the vital bit is the "melt-in" qualities of nitrocellulose which makes invisible joins much easier.

Still, far as the color is concerned it is perfectly possible to find a one stage urethane in the shops (as opposed to the two-pack industrial ones guitar manufacturers apparently use). Then you can mix the color as close as possible using the correct colorant (about which, contact the urethane manufacturer for advice) in just the same way you would with nitro. Make up a decent quantity of the color in a screw-top jar.

Since there is a deep thickness of finish fallen off you have the opportunity to paint on a layer, let it dry (which often changes the color a bit) and see how good the match is. Then adjust the mixture in the jar a tiny bit with more red or brown or whatever and try again. It is going to take many layers to build it back to the depth of the existing lacquer, so that is the chance to fine tune it in successive stages and get the final coats as close as possible.

It ain't ever going to be a completely invisible mend, but you might be able to get it quite close.

BTW Twelvebar: is that pictured "colorboard" yours? If so - I like that stuff! :D Also, educate an ignorant foreigner, please. In Canada do you write color or colour...?

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Hi Goran: that is most helpful - thank you so much! :D

I must admit, the photos of your country that attract me to it mostly seem to show it in nice sunny weather, so maybe later in the year is better. Though I was in Belgrade briefly about 25 years ago - but that was in August and that was too hot!

The more I saw of it on the TV during the bad times the more I thought; "Why haven't I spent more time there? It looks great!" Certainly the coast used to be a favorite destination for people from my country. Your idea of touring around sound the very thing. I like a range of stuff to see, so driving sounds good. Tell me, these days are there any problems at all travelling from one part to another, or is all that in the past?

By the way, I've been drinking Yugoslav wine for decades! We do get some quite cheap stuff in supermarkets, but better quality is also available. Plenty of red - some nice Slovene pinot noir (modri pinot), if memory serves.

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...As above...


Hi Goran: that is most helpful - thank you so much! :D

I must admit, the photos of your country that attract me to it mostly seem to show it in nice sunny weather, so maybe later in the year is better. Though I was in Belgrade briefly about 25 years ago - but that was in August and that was too hot!

The more I saw of it on the TV during the bad times the more I thought; "Why haven't I spent more time there? It looks great!" Certainly the coast used to be a favorite destination for people from my country. Your idea of touring around sound the very thing. I like a range of stuff to see, so driving sounds good. Tell me, these days are there any problems at all travelling from one part to another, or is all that in the past?

By the way, I've been drinking Yugoslav wine for decades! We do get some quite cheap stuff in supermarkets, but better quality is also available. Plenty of red - some nice Slovene pinot noir (modri pinot), if memory serves.

Good!

Cheers man - C


Yes, I think it would be better if you waited for the spring. We don't want you to feel depressed, do we! Just kidding!
Well, there are not any problems travelling from one part to another anymore. What the hell, you're from a big country, UK, England, no one's gonna make any problem(s) to you anyway. Just don't forget your passport! Kidding again! No, no problems whatsoever. I didn't travel to any of the parts of Yugoslavia since the war, but my neighbour is originally from Bosnia, and he goes there couple of times a year. No problems at all. And his relatives come here to Serbia often. We get to other ex-Yugoslav countries on ID, we don't need passports to go there. Because we are all so mixed together (nations I mean) through all the countries that it would be rather absurd if we used passports. And that whole war was absurd, so... Anyway, don't you worry about that. It's safe for you to come whenever you want. I'll even give you my number if you decide to come. So, that you can contact me if any unexpected problems occur. Or if you come near my part of the country, we could sit down and jam a bit! Ah, what do you say?! I'll get the band, and we'll play. Ha, one more reason for you to come, right! Hey, you could even bring the blue strat or this one when it's finished! We have guitars here, don't worry!

If I remember correctly, there was an episode of "Only fools and horses" where Del Boy bought some white wine, "Yugoslav rislling", for his church. Or something like that. Ha, what a blast of an episode that was/is! White wine for a church! Great writer that Sullivan is. Is it Sullivan? I believe he is! Send my regards to him!

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Are we to look forward to more humungous Knockers Ceri / Goranm ?

Croatian coast is on my list of places to see Dubrovnic etc, my wife was a bit apprehensive though after recent history, I feel I could maybe persuade her otherwise now....Thanks

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OK... I just randomly found this thread. Oh my lord, this project is gorgeous. I can't wait to see it finished.


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OK... I just randomly found this thread. Oh my lord, this project is gorgeous. I can't wait to see it finished.


I hope you scanned all 56 pages!! 8)
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I cant help wondering how the 'Off Topic' police feel about this thread.

It's a bit like my missus's stew's. You can put your spoon in, but never know whats gonna come out.


From destruction to tourism, in 56 pages. :lol:

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GilmourD wrote:
OK... I just randomly found this thread. Oh my lord, this project is gorgeous. I can't wait to see it finished.


I hope you scanned all 56 pages!! 8)
Welcome to the forum!! :)


LOL Yes, I did. I saw right from the burnt beginnings.

It should have an interesting tone with a mix of poplar, ash, and maple.


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BTW Twelvebar: is that pictured "colorboard" yours? If so - I like that stuff! :D Also, educate an ignorant foreigner, please. In Canada do you write color or colour...?

Cheers - C

Nah I ripped that picture off the web. I will be doing a colour board and looking for opinions when i start painting my LP copy, of which you guys have seen glimpses of.
We are supposed to use 'The Queen's English' as it were, but I think i am among the last that haven't jumped on board with our American neighbors.

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We are supposed to use 'The Queen's English' as it were, but I think i am among the last that haven't jumped on board with our American neighbors.

Neighbors...? :wink:

BTW: we're waiting oh so patiently for more glimpses of the Les Paul. Don't think we've forgotten! :D

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I cant help wondering how the 'Off Topic' police feel about this thread.

Well, if folks can't run off at wild tangents on one of my threads where the heck can they? The masked thread hijacker says: do it! 8)

Anyroadup.

Sorry to have been so long getting round to finishing RussianRacehorse's neckplate. Just haven't been able to get an hour to myself this week. Old hands will remember we got it to this state, and were then waiting for that black ink in the acid bitten lines to dry:
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I used to have access to a nice big sheet metal guillotine which would be ideal for snipping those excess edges off. Those days are gone; however, it is literally the work of moments to cut them off by hand with a hacksaw, so:
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Then this nice heavy metal file tidies the edges back to the lines I'd earlier etched on to show the dimensions of the plate - again, the work of a few minutes:
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Next, onto the pillar drill with some drill bits for metal to make the holes and countersink them for the screw heads:
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You may remember I'd etched little dots into the centers of those circles which are useful now for aligning the drill bit:
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(Gotta admit, my screw holes turned out not the neatest we've ever seen. OK, they'll be hidden by the neck screws, but... I wonder if my ordinary bench pillar drill is part of the cause of that? I notice there are more glamorous ones intended especially for engineering uses - perhaps they would do a more precise job?)

Lastly, we can just chase the edges a bit with some fine wet-and-dry to bring them to a nice smooth roundover, followed by a final polish up with Brasso:
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And here's the finished Phoenix custom neckplate:
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All told, a couple of hours' work start to finish and a dollar or two for materials. Which probably works out quicker and cheaper than driving into town for an off-the-shelf neckplate, and a whole lot cheaper than ordering a custom designed one off the internet. And a certain degree of owner satisfaction into the bargain...

So: go to! :D

Cheers - C

PS RussianRacehorse, I have missed the mail today but will try to get to the post office tomorrow. That phoenix will be winging its way to you shortly...


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And here's the finished Phoenix custom neckplate:
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All told, a couple of hours' work start to finish and a dollar or two for materials. Which probably works out quicker and cheaper than driving into town for an off-the-shelf neckplate, and a whole lot cheaper than ordering a custom designed one off the internet. And a certain degree of owner satisfaction into the bargain...

So: go to! :D

Cheers - C

PS RussianRacehorse, I have missed the mail today but will try to get to the post office tomorrow. That phoenix will be winging its way to you shortly...

That looks incredible, Ceri! :shock: I can't wait to see it in person.

And be on the lookout for a package from me headed your way as well (I promise it won't be a burnt-out guitar body). 8)

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Hey guys and girls,

Just thought I'd say this is the thread that got finally made me sign up to these forums. The level skill and creativity here is amazing Ceri, you're a backyard wonder :D. Been following this thread for nearly 3 months, can't wait to see how the neck/guitar turns out :).


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