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I smell ADVENTURE..............


That adventure for me was equivalent to the price of a Masterbuilt guitar.
It's an MIM Strat signed by Fleetwood, McVie, Buckingham and Nicks, in a beautifully done presentation case.

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Equally difficult to photograph clearly - what the heck is it about cameras and red? (rhetorical question):

Understanding that this was a rhetorical question :), the non rhetorical answer is that it has nothing to with red at all but everything to do with surface properties, light properties and more importantly, lighting angles.

In order for a three dimensional shape (the paint run), to show up in a two dimensional photograph, the lighting must be such to create a highlight and/or shadow. (without highlight and shadow, nothing would appear to have texture or shape in a photograph) That can only be achieved via the correct angle of the light in relation to the camera.

You had several things working against you in trying to get the run to show.

First, the surface properties of the body was fairly matte at that point, which makes getting a good highlight/shadow to show a bit more difficult. The reason a matte surface looks matte or dull is because the light scatters when reflected from it. A glossy surface doesn't scatter the light as much (or at all), hence the reflections are hard edged.

Second, the light was fairly even which doesn't lend itself to creating good shadows.

The biggest problem though was the angle of the light. It simply wasn't right in order to get a highlight to show up. The location of the run didn't help matters either being deep into the contour curve of the horn like that. You probably could have turned the body on it's side and angled it in such a way to the light to get a nice highlight, but I understand getting this to show wasn't a primary goal in the grand scheme of things. :)

The important bit to take from this is that light will reflect off of a surface at the exact same angle it strikes it. Had the run been on the back of the body in your "against the light" shot, it would have shown v e r y clearly. (we photographer types call that "backlighting" and it's a great way to show texture - or lack of it in this case.)

Sorry for another brief photography interruption - I just get all giddy when I can talk knowledgeably in the Fender forum - lol.

Carry on ... I now return to my "holy-crap-this-is-amazing" mode in silence. :shock: :lol:

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[Sorry for another brief photography interruption - I just get all giddy when I can talk knowledgeably in the Fender forum - lol.
Carry on ... I now return to my "holy-crap-this-is-amazing" mode in silence. :shock: :lol:-phil
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We are in your debt for your contribution. It's always a learning experience around here. Much of your commentary has bearing on what I do every day, therefore, I greatly appreciate the significance of your input.

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Oh, and Nick: I am obviously honorbound to give you this guitar back any time you ask for it. Will that be before or after the hardware goes on? :D
Cheers - C


Well you know theres absolutely no chance on this earth of that happening. I may send you another body though. As I said you deserve the efforts of your labour. And what a beautiful fruit it's turning into. I had considered suggesting the charity approach, before i realised how utterly presumptuous that would have been of me. No one else deserves this gorgeous instrument as much as you do. Certainly not anyone who'd buy it and have it as just another guitar. I really hope you hit no1 with it.

Anyway is the above quote the nearest I'm going to get to an admission that you picked the colour just to wind me up?

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Sorry for the delay in getting this posted but for some reason I stopped getting email updates on this thread. Good thing I came back but I thought it was odd to not get updated on any new entries. Hmmmm.

One quick addition to the photographing the paint run. Everything Stratshooter shared here is 100% accurate. Considering that Ceri has limited lighting and limited resources (only 2 hands!) to get the right angle, here's another trick to try that replicates the light angle with minimal gear.

Since you are shooting outdoors, at the end of the day when the light is nearly gone, set up your camera on a tripod or even on the table top so it lines up with blob. Set your camera manually to open the Aperature as wide as your camera will go. (lowest number).

Then depending on the amount of light, you may have to shoot a few shots to get the right shutter speed. But set it for a long exposure. (maybe 1 second or longer)

Take a flashlight or some light source with a narrow beam and point it directly at the blob. Set your camera to delay the shutter release. You know, the setting that you would use when you want to be included in the shot with your family. What this does is avoids your moving the camera when you press the shutter release and thus blurring the photo. I have one of those remote shutter releases that plugs into the camera. Their cheap and I use that for every tripod shot I take of my guitars.

Experiment with the direction of the light you are pointing at the blob so you can get the angle that gives you some contrast and shadow as Stratshooter pointed out. You may have to reduce the shutter speed if the light source is bright. The light doesn't have to be bright and is probably better to not be. The longer you leave that shutter open, the more light is absorbed.

Use the macro setting on your camera for the closeup shots and/or use a macro lens if your camera has interchangeable lenses. Play around a bit with the shutter speed and the light angle and hopefully you will get a more telling shot.

FYI, the shot of the Quilted Showmaster I posted earlier was shot nearly in the dark in my basement, with only a small photo light on its dimmest setting.


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Chicagoblue and Stratshooter you guys are a wealth of info on photography.
When i get another refinishing project underway I won't have any excuses for my bad pictures.(I hate you!!! cus they'll still suck, but I won't have any excuses!!!)

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[View from our Lanai

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Get your --- over to Wailaia Shops and check out Gerard Marti's venue. He has one in Lahaina as well. Sell's all manner of music and performance related art. Tell him the doc who bought the signed Fleetwood Mac guitar and also ordered the special Stevie Nicks project several years ago sent you.
Where exactly are you located?


The establishment goes by the name 'CELEBRITES' :wink: [/quote]

We are staying in the a condo across from Kamaole Beach 3. Beautiful.

Not sure if we're talking about the same place. We were in Lahaina yesterday for the Old Lahaina Luau (Which was awesome! Highly recommended!) We wandered into this Gallery which had all sorts of music memorabilia, especially Ronnie Woods art, I had no idea he was so talented. Some really great paintings. I'm glad that the Mastercard was safely left in the condo. There was a brilliant painting of Keith playing a 335 that would have easily been shipped back to Canada. They had all sorts of his stuff, he must keep very busy with his art. If you haven't seen it before, you really must check it out, even if your not a Stones fan.

We're having a great time, but I can't wait until tomorrow to see some more great finishing.

Aloha, for now

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Get your --- over to Wailaia Shops and check out Gerard Marti's venue. He has one in Lahaina as well. Sell's all manner of music and performance related art. Tell him the doc who bought the signed Fleetwood Mac guitar and also ordered the special Stevie Nicks project several years ago sent you.
Where exactly are you located?


The establishment goes by the name 'CELEBRITES' :wink:


We are staying in the a condo across from Kamaole Beach 3. Beautiful.

Not sure if we're talking about the same place. We were in Lahaina yesterday for the Old Lahaina Luau (Which was awesome! Highly recommended!) We wandered into this Gallery which had all sorts of music memorabilia, especially Ronnie Woods art, I had no idea he was so talented. Some really great paintings. I'm glad that the Mastercard was safely left in the condo. There was a brilliant painting of Keith playing a 335 that would have easily been shipped back to Canada. They had all sorts of his stuff, he must keep very busy with his art. If you haven't seen it before, you really must check it out, even if your not a Stones fan.

We're having a great time, but I can't wait until tomorrow to see some more great finishing.

Aloha, for now[/quote]
A friend has a bunch of his prints, nice stuff.

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I bet neither one of you brought your guitars to Hawaii! All that lost time!

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Chicagoblue and Stratshooter you guys are a wealth of info on photography.

Agreed 12B!! I can use any and all tips on photography!! Thanks guys!! :) 8)


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I would be going to Kihei in August, but just found out my wife is pregnant! So, no flying then. I usually stay across from Kamaoli Beach I, a great beach. Take care, and thanks for sharing. Sorry to steal the thread, but the PM seems to still be a no go.


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Bit restricted on time for spraying today I'm afraid, so a slightly short episode.

If you recall, this was the back of the guitar with its red undercoat:
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(Privately, despite my now world famous shortcomings as a photographer I kinda feel that's an OK pic, no? If you think differently... no need to tell me. :lol: )

Let's pull off the mask and latex binding (again) and see how the back matches the front:
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- and:
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Here ya go - and on my screen at least these colors are reasonably true:
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Looks OK at a glance, but on closer inspection there is a problem I admit I didn't foresee. Round the edge the white undercoat just shows out from beneath the red. Immediately it seems completely obvious that would happen, but I somehow failed to see it coming:
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- and:
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Most conspicuous around the neck pocket:
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Of course, if we were building from scratch we wouldn't have this issue because there would be no need for that white layer to cover the blemishes on this battered body. Anyhow, it ain't too serious: the fix is easy, if fiddly.

But first we just need to tidy up those edges a touch using a diamond needle file, like this:
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The latex binding mask is very tedious to put on but it certainly works well. Just a couple of minutes work with that file was all that was needed to make the lines true - much easier than all the skilled finish scraping the traditional method would involve.

Now then. I happen to own some quite ludicrously small handmade sable brushes:
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Here's the point of the smallest, the triple-oh:
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In the world of brushes, that's small! So we can simply mix up a little red sanding sealer and paint that annoying white line out. I just can't do this comfortably in rubber gloves: I'll have to clean and degrease the edge later where my finger has touched it:
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'Fraid I've gotta run, so that's it for today. Tomorrow we need to put clear sanding sealer on the front and build it up over the faux binding to remove the slight step down from the red paint on the side. Essentially, building a perfectly smooth surface to then spray our final top coats onto.

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Wow Ceri, it's amazing all the stuf you "just happen to have" :wink:

Excellent work. Your technique almost makes it look like you might know a thing or two about pinstriping too!

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I can almost see the finished product.... Is that light I see near the end of the tunnel????

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Ceri wrote:
Bit restricted on time for spraying today I'm afraid, so a slightly short episode.

If you recall, this was the back of the guitar with its red undercoat:
Image

(Privately, despite my now world famous shortcomings as a photographer I kinda feel that's an OK pic, no? If you think differently... no need to tell me. :lol: )

Let's pull off the mask and latex binding (again) and see how the back matches the front:
Image

- and:
Image

Here ya go - and on my screen at least these colors are reasonably true:
Image

Looks OK at a glance, but on closer inspection there is a problem I admit I didn't foresee. Round the edge the white undercoat just shows out from beneath the red. Immediately it seems completely obvious that would happen, but I somehow failed to see it coming:
Image

- and:
Image

Most conspicuous around the neck pocket:
Image

Of course, if we were building from scratch we wouldn't have this issue because there would be no need for that white layer to cover the blemishes on this battered body. Anyhow, it ain't too serious: the fix is easy, if fiddly.

But first we just need to tidy up those edges a touch using a diamond needle file, like this:
Image

The latex binding mask is very tedious to put on but it certainly works well. Just a couple of minutes work with that file was all that was needed to make the lines true - much easier than all the skilled finish scraping the traditional method would involve.

Now then. I happen to own some quite ludicrously small handmade sable brushes:
Image

Here's the point of the smallest, the triple-oh:
Image

In the world of brushes, that's small! So we can simply mix up a little red sanding sealer and paint that annoying white line out. I just can't do this comfortably in rubber gloves: I'll have to clean and degrease the edge later where my finger has touched it:
Image

'Fraid I've gotta run, so that's it for today. Tomorrow we need to put clear sanding sealer on the front and build it up over the faux binding to remove the slight step down from the red paint on the side. Essentially, building a perfectly smooth surface to then spray our final top coats onto.

Later - C


What an amazing transformation from burnt to beauty.

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